From postmaster at longs.lance.colostate.edu Fri Jun 17 03:29:29 1994 Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA08217 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at hendrix.itn.med.umich.edu); Fri, 17 Jun 94 03:29:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon at localhost) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5a (LANCE 1.01)) id AAA29322 for reallambic at longs.lance.colostate.edu; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:30:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199406170630.AAA29322 at longs.lance.colostate.edu> Reply-To: lambic at longs.lance.colostate.edu (postings only - do not send subscription requests here) Errors-To: lambic-request at longs.lance.colostate.edu From: lambic-request at longs.lance.colostate.edu (subscription requests only - do not post here) To: lambic at longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Lambic Digest #373 (June 17, 1994) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:30:08 -0600 Lambic Digest #373 Fri 17 June 1994 Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles) Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator Contents: Sourness ("RKESSLER") Oud Bruin recipe? (Volker Stewart) Re: Lambic Digest #371 (June 15, 1994) (KLASSEN) Re: Antwerp (Jay Hersh) Send article submissions only to: lambic at longs.lance.colostate.edu Send all other administrative requests (subscribe/unsubscribe/change) to: lambic-request at longs.lance.colostate.edu Back issues are available by mail; send empty message with subject 'HELP' to: netlib at longs.lance.colostate.edu A FAQ is also available by netlib; say 'send faq from lambic' as the subject or body of your message (to netlib at longs.lance.colostate.edu). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jun 1994 09:39:09 EST From: "RKESSLER" Subject: Sourness The amateur jumps in again! I just wanted to add my two cents to the sourness discussion that's been going on. I think it was Phil Seitz who stated that warm temperatures are necessary for the pedio bugs to do their dirty work. Well based upon my not-so-scientific evidence, I would have to concur. I added some boon dregs about a month ago to my p-lambic and then proceeded to cover my carboy with wool blankets. Not only did I get a nice white skin for my efforts, but my baby soured dramaticly. I just added some more Boon dregs plus an old brett culture, so we'll see what happens. But I'm pretty happy with it considering the lambic is only about 4-5 months old. More updates to follow. Rick Kessler (rkessler at hr.house.gov) PS. Thanks for all the response to my Blizzard Bock queries. After talking to some others who have tried, I still suspect the souring is intentional, but these responses have certainly raised doubts in my mind. Could D.C. have a whole supply of spoiled Blizzard Bock? Maybe I'll write the brewery. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:09:15 EDT From: Volker Stewart Subject: Oud Bruin recipe? Someone posted an Oud Bruin recipe here the other day, and I can't seem to find it in my files...would the appropriate person be kind enough to send it to me via email? I'd really appreciate it... Volker Stewart radavfs at ube.ubalt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: KLASSEN at BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #371 (June 15, 1994) Please send Digest #372 again, I erased it by accident. Thanks, Henry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:17:35 EDT From: Jay Hersh Subject: Re: Antwerp just wanted to toss in my two cents on some of the things Stephen George mentioned in his article reposted by Mike. De Groote Witte Arend was a pretty Nice place. It is on Reyndersstraat if memory serves me right, just up from the bottle shop Stephen mentioned. While not the widest selection it was a nice place where the locals drink and had some very exceptional products on hand including Westvleteren products which came directly from the brewery. Quinten Matsijs While not being outstanding for the beer did have very good food at more reasonable prices than many other places. The menu wasn't large but the specials were excellent. I particularly enjoyed the rabbit. So I'd say it was worth a visit if you weren't pressed for time. BIERLAND Was as you say a student cafe, when we were there they seemed to have a reasonable selection from the menu available. Whether to go to this place or not depends on the individual. Since I often hang out in places like this in my own town hanging someplace like this in Belgium isn't really a problem, in fact it is sort of cool to hang with a different yet similar crowd. However I can easily see why folks whose tastes for atmosphere don't include places like this would avoid it. Regarding the Brewers Guild Museum, you said > And you do get a pretty good beer in the cafe at the end of the tour. either they change taps often or you were on drugs :-) when we were there they had the ultra swill. Budweiser of Belgium, they wouldn't identify it but I'm guessing it was the Stella. >The countryside is gorgeous, particularly on the Brueghel route. But keep your eyes carefully peeled for the signs. We missed many turns, but thanks to a map in either Jackson's New World Guide to Beer or the Beer Companion which has the route laid out although no street names or route numbers, we were able to figure out our wrong turns and correct them. However this is quite challenging though well worth it. Some day I'll write the notes from my tour in (well actually my girlfriend will probably be the one to do the actual typing :-). However you've already gotten some of the true highlights in past posts from me and the rest doesn't cover too much new ground. However I will update my travel guide to correct for addresses, phone numbers, opening hours etc. and would appreciate any submissions for places of interest not already in there or any corrections for the ones presently in. JaH ------------------------------ End of Lambic Digest ************************ -------