Subject: Digest for the period 8/15/2007 - 8/16/2007
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:00:56 -0400

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  1. RE: "real" (Brian Lundeen) 
  2. Real beer vs Other beer (Bradish, Dwight) 


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From: Brian Lundeen  Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:26:11 -0500
Subject: RE: "real" 


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> From: robert paolino  Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:02:02 -0500
> Subject: "real" 
> 
> My goal isn't to keep "real" (or good 
> or whatever) beer to a select few.  I want us to be advocates 
> and to work toward making flavourful (subtle, assertive, and 
> anything in between, but still full of flavour and character) 
> beers the norm, what the majority of the market wants.  I 
> want us to spread the word through advocacy and education 
> rather than concede to some idea that all beer, no matter how 
> flavourless and bland, is of equal merit.

Then just find another word that better describes what you are looking for,
because "real" isn't it. As a suggestion, how about "artisanal"? I'm sure
there are a few Mead Lovers in here that would love to revisit that
discussion. ;-)

Cheers
Brian


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From: Bradish, Dwight  Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:58:37 -0700
Subject: Real beer vs Other beer 


Hi Judges,

What I'm really worried about is the scenario that I may be sitting 
on a
panel and get non real beer, i.e. a counterfeit beer. How do I know it
isn't real, it could be an excellent imitation of real beer. I need
guidelines for this occurring, if I get a fake beer do I call for the
head judge to make sure it is a fake, for that matter how does he
identify it is a counterfeit beer? What if I am the head judge or 
worse
the organizer and this accused imitation beer is brought to my
attention, do I disqualify it? My gosh, the implications of what you
guys are discussing here is that counterfeit beers are being entered 
as
real beer in competitions. This is horrendous, maybe then all of our
past competition results have been compromised and we may have to
reevaluate the results! Why I may never trust a beer again unless I 
made
it, or in some other way I'm sure it isn't a counterfeit, so perhaps I
should send you guys all the beer entered in the next competition I
organize so you can certify it is all real! And what about when a 
judge
exclaims "Wow taste this beer it is so good it is unreal!" That is a
disqualifier if I ever heard one. Well I hope you see my point, this
real beer discussion could be taken to an extreme in which all beers 
are
suspect of not being real, because who can prove it is unless we have
designated brewing observers making sure that the beer is real by
watching every brewers process. Even then bottles could be switched 
and
a counterfeit could be substituted for the real beer. So I guess we
shouldn't worry about it, but if you insist I will be on the lookout 
for
counterfeit, i.e. non-real beer.

Dwight

=20




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