Subject: Digest for the period 5/11/2006 - 5/12/2006 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:00:55 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. re:Appropriateness of AHA posts? (Annie Johnson) 2. Re: Regional Results - A solution (Armstrong, Eric K [EH&S]) 3. Re: Appropriateness of AHA posts? (Chuck Cox) 4. re:appropriateness of AHA posts (Nathaniel Lansing) 5. Cross Postings among various lists (Terry Felton) 6. Large club advantages (hollen`at`woodsprite.com) 7. Call for judges (Jason Petros) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Annie Johnson Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Appropriateness of AHA posts? Yeah, Steve - I think it's a fine place to post BJCP AND AHA related communications. Judge net is for judges, the AHA Tech Talk is for anyone who is a member of the AHA. Just my OP and you asked. Cheers Annie Johnson ESB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armstrong, Eric K [EH&S] Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:20:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Regional Results - A solution Since there has been sooooooo much discussion and no solutions offered for Bill's gripe about Jamil's strong showing in the Great Lakes region I will offer a solution. Feel free to flame, mock, or sarcastically reference this idea. I am a judge and not a contest organizer so maybe the things I mention already happen. First Jamil is not wrong, he is great brewer, a steadfast worker and does not deserve to be singled out for following the rules. Look at the East Region mead results for a similar situation. Second, Bill's point is valid. My opinion is that if a site director is not honest enough to run a competition where their own beers are entered I'm not too sure that they should be allowed to oversee the competition. With that said, I believe that all site directors should enter their own region and the results be certified and submitted with at least someone else's signature. Maybe the head judge for each category could sign off on the placings and the summary sheet be filed in Boulder. That way an audit could occur if needed. If problems creep up, remove the director and move the region to a different site. Let the site directors enter and run their sites - its not like they are holding the BJCP treasury. Eric 20 Eric Armstrong C0518 - Certified ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Cox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:23:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Appropriateness of AHA posts? Steve wrote: > Chuck, are there guidelines about what is an > acceptable post to this forum? Postings must be "of interest to beer judges". I tend to apply that standard fairly liberally. I don't object to AHA postings if they are not too numerous, however I am open to persuasion. -- Chuck Cox - SynchroSystems - Synchro.com chuck`at`synchro.com, cccox@fas.harvard.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nathaniel Lansing Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:37:18 -0400 Subject: re:appropriateness of AHA posts First Annie says, >>Although, I'm not sure what result this could have on the AHA's coffer s. << She hit the nail on the head, for the AHA it is all about money. Then Steve says, >>Do any of these belong here? My feeling is no - they have nothing t o do >>with beer judging and much to do with promotion of the AHA.<< Exactamundo. They do have a site. They should stick to their own bandwidth. Granted the BJCP and AHA have a cooperative agreement for the registration of competitions and the registering of judging points; I believe it should stop there. I do not want e-mails from the AHA. So the BJCP E-mail list should not be given out to the AHA. Snail mail should be allowed if the AHA wants to contact judges. It is easy enough to toss mail from the AHA into the garbage. I will consider AHA E-mail as spam, that puts it on the level of "Cheap VnxIugA"qGcbR{zA". Chuck does this on his dime. He gets the final say. The AHA should just go away. Why the animosity? because after the Brewer's Publications got caught remaindering out the "Classic Styles" series-1 to Waldenbooks while they were still billing wholesalers the regular price. Then they sent an offer to the homebrew stores givng them a chance to buy the "out of print" versions at a price $1.00 more than you could buy them at Waldenbooks, if you bought a case!! Meanwhile they are reprinting a new version to make the the first edition obsolete. Wonder why nobody carries the Brewer's Publication books anymore? that's why. Sorry, can't in good conscience judge an AHA event. Backed up with too many beers and too few judges at the NHC? too bad! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Felton Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:10:54 -0400 Subject: Cross Postings among various lists I normally would not send the same post to three lists at once, but in this case it seems necessary. I must echo the concerns raised recently on the Judgenet by Steve Stroud, about inappropriate issues being posted all over the place. I try to follow 3 lists, "AHA Tech Talk", the "HBD Forum", and the "JudgeNet" of the BJCP. In the past, each had it's clear focus, and there was little duplication among them, other than some occasional competition notices. In the last few weeks, it is becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate among them, since several people are posting the same stuff on two or three, almost indiscriminately. Please everybody, can we stop shouting all over the place? Leave the Judgenet for BJCP and judging related matters, address AHA issues, (along with general technical brewing questions) in the AHA Tech Talk, and cover remaining stuff in the more broadly rooted HBD Forum. I don't mean to say that there should never be duplication, or off topic stumbles, but the character of all these venues has decidedly changed for the worse in recent weeks. I hope the members and participants at all three can return us to the high standards we used to expect from all three of these fine forums. Now, let's all relax and have a homebrew, Terry Felton AHA member and BJCP Judge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hollen`at`woodsprite.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Large club advantages As much as I got hot about BillG's original post, I do have to agree with him today. Big clubs, due to the large number of members and the large numbers of beers we can enter, *do* have an advantage. You all may blanch at this suggestion, but in the interest of instituting more fairness and simplifying the NHC, why not just do away with Homebrew Club of the Year. This levels the playing field completely down to a single individual brewer competing with all the other individual brewers. No, I am not joking. If one wants to have a Homebrew Club of the Year award, why not change it to be awarded to the club which contributes the most to advancing the hobby with education and service to our community? dion -- Dion Hollenbeck Email: hollen`at`woodsprite.com Home Page: http://www.woodsprite.com Brewing Page: http://hbd.org/hollen Toys: '86 4x4 PU, '98 4Runner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Petros Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:34:06 -0700 Subject: Call for judges Hi everybody! I am putting a very short notice call out for any judges in the East Bay/Northern California region to help judge the 2nd Annual MoreBeer! Forum Competition! This comp will be held at E.J Phair in Concord on June 10th. Sorry for the short notice, it is my fault. http://www.brewingcompetition.com/2006B3/2006B3.html is the link for more info. Hope to see you there! -- Cheers! 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