Subject: Digest for the period 1/21/2006 - 1/22/2006 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:04:10 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. online HB competition software (Tina Weymann) 2. Continuing Education and Judging for shop owners (beerking`at`adelphia.net) 3. Re: CEP Qualifications (Kevin Pratt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tina Weymann Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:09:12 -0500 Subject: online HB competition software Greetings, Our homebrew club is about to get a complete website rebuild and one feature we're eager to add is online competition registration for judges and entrants. Our club's annual competition is scheduled for April 1. Does anyone have words of wisdom about any of the three packages listed on the BJCP site? (see URLs below) http://www.folsoms.net/hccp/ HCCP http://beer.tzo.com/beer/ BeerContestDB http://www.hordsoffun.com/hbc/ Registration Wizard Any other packages we should consider? Would appreciate observations about ease of use, glitches, general pros & cons, etc. Feel free to reply off-list to Tina Weymann, tweymann at hselaw dot com. Thanks, and good brewing to all. Tina ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beerking`at`adelphia.net Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 8:48:01 -0500 Subject: Continuing Education and Judging for shop owners Nathaniel, 1. You bring up a great point. I'm not on any of the committees, but my vote would be for you to recieve CEP service credit for any and all education related activities you do at your shop (as well as all the others out there). Seems to me by running an advanced homebrew demo or class, you are doing far more educating than someone who organizes a pubcrawl, or even a meeting. 2. One other point you bring up concerns me a little (again, as a Nat'l Judge, who is not on any of the committees). Please don't take this personal, I don't know whether you are recognized, certified, national or even master, but please allow me to express a general concern you have brought up, not direct at you personally. You say "I personally haven't been able to judge many competitions since opening my store." (understandable), but that "Occasionally am able to nip in and catch a BOS round after closing but that relies on a competition running late" My concern is if organizers are "letting in" judges for BOS solely because they run the local shop (or other activities that might qualify one as a "celebrity" to the local homebrew community), and are BJCP registered. (Again, nothing personal, for all I know, you are National trying to reach Master.) My concern applies primarily to those judges who have little experience to begin with, and like you mention have little time to actually judge. I worry that if we do this, organizers are risking lowering the standards of the competition in specific, and whole BJCP the program in general. I have seen competitions that will pick the judge who came the furthest as one of the BOS judges, provided he is Certified or above. I am not trying to be elitist, or in anyway snobbish, I merely feel the program has standards to uphold, especially in a BOS round. These standards have allowed us to be reconized as "experts" in many commercial competitions, and I would like such recognition to continue. I hope this does not come across as a rant, but wanted to express a concern. Again, Nathaniel, I think your CEP point is right on. -- Lyle C. Brown beerking`at`adelphia.net ---- JudgeNet - the beer judge digest wrote: ============= Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. re:Continuing Education Program ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nathaniel Lansing Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:57:16 -0500 Subject: re:Continuing Education Program I've been thinking about this for a few months and the post about the CEP makes me ask... If "This means your clubs' annual pubcrawl, your club meetings, group brewing sessions, BJCP prep courses and special events can all qualify."; then how about the situation where a brew shop owner that surely educates more new brewers, teaches more people about styles than most judges? Can credit be given for the poor working stiff that keeps you supplied with fresh grain and hops? I personally haven't been able to judge many competitions since opening my store. Occasionally am able to nip in and catch a BOS round after closing but that relies on a competition running late and actually being able to shove people out the door at my true closing time. Heck, if a club meeting counts as service to the BJCP, teaching a few dozen brewers a year surely counts for something. Just had to ask, NL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Important Subscriber Information ***** To post a message to JudgeNet, send it to judge`at`synchro.com. Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments. Make sure you use a meaningful subject. Quote only as much material as is needed for context. To manage your subscription, go to http://synchro.com/judge/subscriptions.html or send an email to judge-request`at`synchro.com with the subject: help judge. JudgeNet is also available as an NNTP newsgroup, go to news://news.synchro.com/synchro.judge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Pratt Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: CEP Qualifications Thanks for the question Nathanial. Your answer is inline. Nathaniel Lansing wrote: > If "This means your clubs' annual pubcrawl, your club > meetings, group > brewing sessions, BJCP prep courses and special events can all > qualify."; The operative word is "can," as in 'could,' as in 'might.' There are certain stipulations for credit to be awarded, such as presenter qualifications, number of judges attending, and advanced notice to the CEP. There then needs to be some structure in the form of a predetermined subject, and some way of gaging knowledge learned (we suggest a short quiz). Finally, there needs to be a tasting element such as a style, flawed beer, methods or ingredients evaluation and training. The reasoning for such a broad spectrum of opportunity is that this is member driven. The CEP committee is here to help focus and verify the events towards the primary purpose of the BJCP. The Purpose of the BJCP is to promote beer literacy, the appreciation of real beer and to recognize tasting and evaluation skills. Some events are using score sheets to evaluate some of the beers, then sending the sheets to us for comments and feedback to the judges. > then how about the situation where a brew shop owner > that surely educates more new brewers, teaches more people > about styles than most judges? Can credit be given for the poor > working stiff that keeps you supplied with fresh grain and > hops? > Heck, if a club meeting counts as service to the BJCP, teaching > a few dozen brewers a year surely counts for something. The short answer is that you operate as 'commerce.' As such, advice is given in the normal course of business, in order to increase sales and customer satisfaction. The option is open to you to hold events at your store that could qualify. We'd love to help you plan one. You can contact us at CEP [at] bjcp [dot] org. We will be offering some course outlines in the future. Kevin Pratt BJCP CEP Assistant Director __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Important Subscriber Information ***** To post a message to JudgeNet, send it to judge`at`synchro.com. Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments. Make sure you use a meaningful subject. Quote only as much material as is needed for context. To manage your subscription, go to http://synchro.com/judge/subscriptions.html or send an email to judge-request`at`synchro.com with the subject: help judge. JudgeNet is also available as an NNTP newsgroup, go to news://news.synchro.com/synchro.judge