Subject: Digest for the period 5/10/2005 - 5/11/2005 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:01:24 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Digest for the period 5/9/2005 - 5/10/2005 (Pete) 2. Megabeer (Spencer W. Thomas) 3. RE: Digest for the period 5/9/2005 - 5/10/2005, Politics (Ted Hausotter) 4. Politics (MeadGuild`at`aol.com) 5. Politics, religion and mega-lagers (Jeff Renner) 6. Re: Politics, religion and mega-lagers (Alan Hord) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 03:21:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 5/9/2005 - 5/10/2005 It's on the house, really ~ can't we all work together? :o) Mine apprears not to have made it... perhaps I'm not thin skinned enough, or maybe the delays inherant in a dial-up connection allowed it to be spirited away? Sometimes we have to make the hard choices and take styles that may present a challenge. Personally, I tend to find it easier to judge styles I don't brew / am not entirely familiar with / find of. I have no pre-conceptions as to what the beer SHOULD taste like (well, not so many arrogant opinions, anyway) and find it easier to identify the components, both good and bad. Take, for example, Porters, Stouts and Imperials - as a "fan of the brown and chewy" (and BIG) my PREFERENCE in these catagories will be pushing (past) the limits as to what a "classic example of the style" "should" by definition, BE! Since I LIKE 'em Big Phat and roasty, my natural tendency is to favor those beers, perhaps unfairly. Contrast this to a style I do NOT drink, say Amer Brown or Lambic and I will READ the guidelines, SMELL for things that are/not supposed to be there, TASTE it carefully. And, develop an appreciation for Amer Browns, and Lambics. Not necessarily a LIKING, mind you, but an appreciation. And that *is* after all, the name of the game, no? Pete Bussa, National in Detroit ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:48:03 -0400 Subject: Megabeer I submit that "the people" don't care about the taste of megabeer. Why else serve it ice-cold? I contend that what makes it attractive is that it's cold, fizzy, and alcoholic. Why else would Miller advertise "tastes great [i.e., tasteless], less filling!"? If you're drinking beer for the flavor, you don't care if it's filling -- you're not going to drink enough of it to matter. I'd rather drink one flavorful pale ale than a whole 6-pack of Miller Lite(tm). But, then, I'm going for the flavor, not the buzz. Going slightly out on a limb, I was told by a doctor who specializes in treating alcoholism that 80% of the alcohol sold in this country is bought by 10% of the people. Those people aren't buying it for the flavor. And, yes, I'll drink the occasional megabeer, if I'm visiting someone and that's what they have. But given the choice, I'll have a glass of wine instead. As for judging, I prefer not to judge the style, but if given that table, I'll do my best to fairly judge them. =Spencer ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Hausotter Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:25:20 -0700 Subject: RE: Digest for the period 5/9/2005 - 5/10/2005, Politics Jeremy states "Fortunately there's no movement like this today." I ask you, what about MADD. Have you ever listened to a YOUR grade school kid lecture you about how you are killing yourself drinking ALCOHOL? The politically right teach this in school today. While the situation is not the same as preprohibition, it is not go grab a beer and drink in peace. They send you to beer jails at rodeos and concerts, where you have to drink behind bars (fence) packed in a group of happy swillers while missing what we came for. Then there are the unique alcohol laws in each state. If I a layover in Texas before noon on Sunday mourning, I can't drink a beer till food is put in front of me. There are numerous states where all alcohol sales stop in the evening. I recently went through Connecticut and could not buy a beer at 9:00 in the evening. I wanted to find a bottle and relax in the room. Georgia has no sales on Sunday. We had to drive to the Florida state line to buy a beer. My own state Oregon has its own wacky laws that I sadly think are normal. Normal is the same as a loaf of bread or a bag of apples. What’s next a thumb print with each 6 pack? No movement like that today, I think there is. Ted Hausotter Drinking in state sponsored moderation before noon in Texas, after 9:00 in Connecticut and on Sunday in Georgia ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MeadGuild`at`aol.com Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:40:50 EDT Subject: Politics Jeff wrote: > American prohibition was a fascinating, and frightening social > phenomenon. It was largely made up of rural, anti-immigrant, > anti-Catholic, conservative WASPs, but many others were swept along > in their fervor. I can't agree with all of that. Conservative WASP's were primarily urban and rural folks saw Prohibition as hurting farm income. It was more an effect of Women Suffrage - that's who ran the Temperance Leagues. Plus FDR was as much as WASP as anyone. He ended Prohibition because it wasn't working. Dick -- Richard D. Adams, CPA ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Renner Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:34:18 -0400 Subject: Politics, religion and mega-lagers Dwight and Alan I certainly did not intend to give offence. Politics and religion are pretty dangerous for email, and probably aren't appropriate for this forum. History might be, but even that can come across in an unintended way. So my apologies to each of you for any offence given. It was unintended. I'd written a longer response to each of your posts, but it seems to me that, as Alan suggests, and as Bob Paolino suggests at the end of each of his posts, it is something better discussed over a beer rather than continuing here. I'll be at NHC in Baltimore - how about then? It is clear that all three of us love history. It could be a great session. Over session beer, I think, not barleywine. ;-) I'll leave it at that. Jeff -- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, JeffRenner`at`comcast.net "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943 ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Hord Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:29:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Politics, religion and mega-lagers Jeff Renner wrote : > ...I'll be at NHC in Baltimore - how about then? It is clear that all > three of us love history. It could be a great session. Over session > beer, I think, not barleywine. ;-) Love to join you; that would be awesome! OK - session beers then :o) Cheers to you and yours good sir, Alan NnS ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************