Subject: Digest for the period 4/1/2005 - 4/2/2005 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 01:01:00 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Recategorizing entries (Spencer W. Thomas) 2. reclassifying entrants' beers . . . (Big) 3. Re: Digest for the period 3/31/2005 - 4/1/2005 (MeadGuild`at`aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:46:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Recategorizing entries I feel strongly that it is not up to the judge to second-guess the entrant. The entrant may be well aware that the beer has been entered "sub-optimally". For example, given a beer that sits between two categories, the entrant may have entered the beer into BOTH categories. If we moved the beer, the same beer might end up getting judged twice in the same category. The only time, IMO, that it is permissible for the competition organizer (not the individual judge) to move a beer is when beers have clearly been switched, or possibly if the entrant was looking at the old category numbers instead of the new ones, and this can be substantiated by the registrar. For example, someone enters a stout and a cream ale, but they get misnumbered and the cream ale ends up in the stout flight and vice versa. The judges could then ask the registrar to check whether the beer had been misentered and the registrar might be able to fix it. But if the two beers were a porter and a stout, then I don't think anything could or should be done. =S ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Big Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:13:39 -0800 Subject: reclassifying entrants' beers . . . ... beers should be entered in the category they taste the most like, and not necessarily in the category corresponding to the recipe title or what you think you brewed, ... recategorizing someone's beer into a category it does worse in, or into a category not to the entrant's liking? ----------- in the (very) few cases when i was judging, and a beer seemed mis-categorized, we (the judges) discussed it thoroughly and scored it as best we could while noting clearly in the score sheet that it probably would've done better in another (named) category . . . Does the person that performed the recategorization then also do the second judging, or should it be someone else? ---------- again, in my experience, it didn't get a "second" judging . . . Big ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MeadGuild`at`aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:35:59 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 3/31/2005 - 4/1/2005 1. Re: competitions as CEP I have yet to take the BJCP exam, but I know CPE (Continuing Professional Education). I is a Certified Public Accountant, a Certified Internal Auditor, a Certified Information Systems Auditor, and three more. Q: What is the purpose of CPE? A: To keep practitioners current with the changes in the field. Taxation changes at the whims of the Congress. Auditing occurs after debacles. So there's a lot of CPE for Tax guys and not that much for Audit guys. I believe there is a separate common body of knowledge for brewing Beer, Mead, and Wine and for distilling alcohol. CPE should be based on the relevant common bodies of knowledge and the additions, deletions, and changes to it. How much does Beer or Mead change? Who is prepared to offer seminars on this? Are there local Chapters that will offer CPE credits for presentations on relevant topical speakers? Will these Chapters report CPE to the BJCP? Will the BJCP put on a traveling road show for presentations across the country? Dick ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Manage your subscription online: http://synchro.com/judge * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************