Subject: Digest for the period 5/14/2004 - 5/15/2004 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:01:21 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. BJCP Website (Mike Dixon) 2. Re: BJCP website (Ed Westemeier) 3. Re: BJCP Website (David Houseman) 4. Re: BJCP Website (Jeff Renner) 5. BJCP web site (Spencer W. Thomas) 6. RE: BJCP website (Bob Paolino) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dixon Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:25:05 -0400 Subject: BJCP Website I'm sure you'll get this response several times, but the BJCP website is housed on the HBD server which is having some sort of ISP switch and DNS troubles, and I don't even pretend to understand that kind of stuff. Anyway, the old site is still active with guidelines and information: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/slack/bjcp/ I also found that the new draft guidelines are still active: http://www.hopmadness.com/bjcp/ Cheers, Mike ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Westemeier Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:45:10 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP website Sorry, I haven't posted anything because the BJCP website has always been "just on the verge of coming back up." As most know, we're hosted by the Homebrew Digest servers, administered by Pat Babcock. Pat did some upgrade work last week, which went fine and was relatively innocuous, but in the process his ISP screwed up the DNS settings. Bottom line: Pat has been having the devil of a time getting them to correct their error. He's still working assiduously on it, and we still expect things to return to normal very soon. BTW, this outage also affects the Homebrew Digest itself, the HBD website, and all the many club websites that are also hosted there. So there is plenty of incentive on our side to fix things quickly. Ed Westemeier BJCP Communication Director On 5/14/04, Larry Koret posted: >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is >coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Houseman Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:08:12 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP Website Larry and other BJCP members, The BJCP's web site is hosted on the HBD server. This has been down for several days after an upgrade that apparently didn't go well. Ed Westemeier, Communications Director has set up an alternate site at http://www.malz.com/judge/ for temporary access to the BJCP information. Dave Houseman ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Renner Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:16:16 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP Website Larry Koret asked: >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is >coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Brewers You never miss the water 'til the well runs dry. BJCP lives on the HBD server. It is off-line, and this not only means that HomeBrew Digest isn't being issued, it also means that you can't get to many club sites, The Brewery, Recipator, BJCP, and so on. It happened because HBD server slave Pat Babcock took it off for maintenance and it's taking longer to get back. The following tells the story (please relay to interested parties): Pat tipped us off on May 5 in a post to HBD: >Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Babcock >Subject: Changes afoot... > >Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager... > >Several changes afoot. First, we're expanding the network, >requiring a reassignment of IP addresses (ie: I gotta reconfig >all machines, and rewrite DNS). This will cause about four hours >of inaccesibility once implemented as they change our IP Address >block. > >But wait, there's more! In order to accomplish this cleanly, >I've got to resolve the memore segmentation errors being flung >by the brew server. I think I have a suitable "donor" machine >for memory; however, all bets are off. This little bit of >surgery has teh potential to pull the HBD down for longer than >just a few hours (and I may forego and manually rewrite all of >the configuration files...) > >In any case, if the HBD drops offline for a little while in the >near future, you will know what's going on. > >(For those hoseted on Newbrew and the BabsTech server, this will >impact you as well - same namespace) > >Always seems to be this time of year for this stuff, doesn't it? Enough people have emailed me to ask if I knew what was going on that I checked with Pat yesterday morning: >From: Jeff Renner [mailto:jeffrenner`at`comcast.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:00 AM >To: Babcock, Patrick (P.G.) >Subject: hate to bother you > >Pat > >People are wondering what is the story with the HBD server. You >warned us on 5/5 that it might be down for a while. Is it only that >changeover? Any estimated time back on line? Hope there are no >problems. > >AABG members are emailing the people they have in their address book >about the meeting tomorrow, and I've gotten a couple of emails from >HBDers. > >Jeff He replied At 10:10 AM -0400 5/13/04, Babcock, Patrick \(P.G.\) wrote: >Covad changed the way they delegate DNS, so when they upgraded our IP >block, DNS became hosed. Working to resolve. > >Also, the HBD server itself is in pretty bad shape, and it doesn't look >like I'll be able to recover the box. (data is safe). I will have to >rebuild it once the greater problem of getting the network back on the >internet is resolved. > >Have no ETA. Running solo on the HBD with a real life to tend to. Doing >the best I can... I have no idea what all this means, except the "real life" Pat refers to involves a wife, five young kids, and perhaps the pursuit of yet another master's degree (not sure about that one). I replied: >From: Jeff Renner [mailto:jeffrenner`at`comcast.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:22 AM >To: Babcock, Patrick (P.G.) >Subject: RE: hate to bother you > > >Thanks, Pat. The homebrewers of the world are worried but >appreciative of all you do. May I pass this along to AABG (via >Spencer), Oz CB down under and UKHB? > >I wonder if there is any way to get you help in doing this. Not from >me - that's all Greek to me! But maybe from others in one of the >clubs. > >How is the server fund? I can pass along a request for this. Of >course, it would have to wait for the server to be up for PayPal >payment, although you could send me the snail mail address. and Pat responded: At 12:57 PM -0400 5/13/04, Babcock, Patrick \(P.G.\) wrote: >Yes, you can pass along. > >I've queried the BJCP (whom I now host) for some of their guys who may >be "linux-admin-savvy" for help. Slowly trudging through it. Never had >to deal with "classless IN-ADDR.ARPA addressing schemes before. SO far, >I've rewritten the zone files for HBD.ORG and a few other zones I >control, and seem to have a functioning DNS server; however, I'm not >reaching the world. In any case, I'm still not convinced the problems >are all on my end of the system... > >Per the server fund, we're OK. Have more than enough cash at hand. >Ordered a new box for HBD.ORG last month and am still awaiting delivery. > >Thanks for the look in. When things like this happen, I tend to go all >"a$$h0les and elbows" to resolve the issues and forget to downstream the >news (though I have updated rec.crafts.brewing a couple of times). There you all are. Jeff -- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, JeffRenner`at`comcast.net "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943 ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:30:01 -0400 Subject: BJCP web site > > >From: Larry Koret Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:01:17 -0400 > >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is coming up. Are they having problems? > The BJCP web site is hosted on the HBD.org server. The server is currently under repair from both hardware and software problems. Plus the ISP changed the way they're doing DNS, which is causing some problems. Here is a note from Pat Babcock as of 5/13: > Covad changed the way they delegate DNS, so when they upgraded our IP > block, DNS became hosed. Working to resolve. > > Also, the HBD server itself is in pretty bad shape, and it doesn't look > like I'll be able to recover the box. (data is safe). I will have to > rebuild it once the greater problem of getting the network back on the > internet is resolved. > > Have no ETA. Running solo on the HBD with a real life to tend to. Doing > the best I can... =Spencer ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Paolino Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:23 -0400 Subject: RE: BJCP website Larry Koret wrote on Thu, 13 May 2004 09:01:17 -0400: > I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is > coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? > Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. I used the bjcp site as recently as last Tuesday (4 May), to print selected style descriptions for a class I was co-leading. Just wondering--is the bjcp site hosted by hbd.org? That's been out for several days. Or is it just a coincidence that they're both down? Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino "Homer, why don't you get one of those hands-free phones? It's the next best thing to paying attention to the road." --Barney, The Simpsons ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top-posting frowned upon? ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 5/14/2004 - 5/15/2004 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:01:21 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. BJCP Website (Mike Dixon) 2. Re: BJCP website (Ed Westemeier) 3. Re: BJCP Website (David Houseman) 4. Re: BJCP Website (Jeff Renner) 5. BJCP web site (Spencer W. Thomas) 6. RE: BJCP website (Bob Paolino) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dixon Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:25:05 -0400 Subject: BJCP Website I'm sure you'll get this response several times, but the BJCP website is housed on the HBD server which is having some sort of ISP switch and DNS troubles, and I don't even pretend to understand that kind of stuff. Anyway, the old site is still active with guidelines and information: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/slack/bjcp/ I also found that the new draft guidelines are still active: http://www.hopmadness.com/bjcp/ Cheers, Mike ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Westemeier Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:45:10 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP website Sorry, I haven't posted anything because the BJCP website has always been "just on the verge of coming back up." As most know, we're hosted by the Homebrew Digest servers, administered by Pat Babcock. Pat did some upgrade work last week, which went fine and was relatively innocuous, but in the process his ISP screwed up the DNS settings. Bottom line: Pat has been having the devil of a time getting them to correct their error. He's still working assiduously on it, and we still expect things to return to normal very soon. BTW, this outage also affects the Homebrew Digest itself, the HBD website, and all the many club websites that are also hosted there. So there is plenty of incentive on our side to fix things quickly. Ed Westemeier BJCP Communication Director On 5/14/04, Larry Koret posted: >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is >coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Houseman Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:08:12 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP Website Larry and other BJCP members, The BJCP's web site is hosted on the HBD server. This has been down for several days after an upgrade that apparently didn't go well. Ed Westemeier, Communications Director has set up an alternate site at http://www.malz.com/judge/ for temporary access to the BJCP information. Dave Houseman ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Renner Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:16:16 -0400 Subject: Re: BJCP Website Larry Koret asked: >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is >coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Brewers You never miss the water 'til the well runs dry. BJCP lives on the HBD server. It is off-line, and this not only means that HomeBrew Digest isn't being issued, it also means that you can't get to many club sites, The Brewery, Recipator, BJCP, and so on. It happened because HBD server slave Pat Babcock took it off for maintenance and it's taking longer to get back. The following tells the story (please relay to interested parties): Pat tipped us off on May 5 in a post to HBD: >Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Babcock >Subject: Changes afoot... > >Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager... > >Several changes afoot. First, we're expanding the network, >requiring a reassignment of IP addresses (ie: I gotta reconfig >all machines, and rewrite DNS). This will cause about four hours >of inaccesibility once implemented as they change our IP Address >block. > >But wait, there's more! In order to accomplish this cleanly, >I've got to resolve the memore segmentation errors being flung >by the brew server. I think I have a suitable "donor" machine >for memory; however, all bets are off. This little bit of >surgery has teh potential to pull the HBD down for longer than >just a few hours (and I may forego and manually rewrite all of >the configuration files...) > >In any case, if the HBD drops offline for a little while in the >near future, you will know what's going on. > >(For those hoseted on Newbrew and the BabsTech server, this will >impact you as well - same namespace) > >Always seems to be this time of year for this stuff, doesn't it? Enough people have emailed me to ask if I knew what was going on that I checked with Pat yesterday morning: >From: Jeff Renner [mailto:jeffrenner`at`comcast.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:00 AM >To: Babcock, Patrick (P.G.) >Subject: hate to bother you > >Pat > >People are wondering what is the story with the HBD server. You >warned us on 5/5 that it might be down for a while. Is it only that >changeover? Any estimated time back on line? Hope there are no >problems. > >AABG members are emailing the people they have in their address book >about the meeting tomorrow, and I've gotten a couple of emails from >HBDers. > >Jeff He replied At 10:10 AM -0400 5/13/04, Babcock, Patrick \(P.G.\) wrote: >Covad changed the way they delegate DNS, so when they upgraded our IP >block, DNS became hosed. Working to resolve. > >Also, the HBD server itself is in pretty bad shape, and it doesn't look >like I'll be able to recover the box. (data is safe). I will have to >rebuild it once the greater problem of getting the network back on the >internet is resolved. > >Have no ETA. Running solo on the HBD with a real life to tend to. Doing >the best I can... I have no idea what all this means, except the "real life" Pat refers to involves a wife, five young kids, and perhaps the pursuit of yet another master's degree (not sure about that one). I replied: >From: Jeff Renner [mailto:jeffrenner`at`comcast.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:22 AM >To: Babcock, Patrick (P.G.) >Subject: RE: hate to bother you > > >Thanks, Pat. The homebrewers of the world are worried but >appreciative of all you do. May I pass this along to AABG (via >Spencer), Oz CB down under and UKHB? > >I wonder if there is any way to get you help in doing this. Not from >me - that's all Greek to me! But maybe from others in one of the >clubs. > >How is the server fund? I can pass along a request for this. Of >course, it would have to wait for the server to be up for PayPal >payment, although you could send me the snail mail address. and Pat responded: At 12:57 PM -0400 5/13/04, Babcock, Patrick \(P.G.\) wrote: >Yes, you can pass along. > >I've queried the BJCP (whom I now host) for some of their guys who may >be "linux-admin-savvy" for help. Slowly trudging through it. Never had >to deal with "classless IN-ADDR.ARPA addressing schemes before. SO far, >I've rewritten the zone files for HBD.ORG and a few other zones I >control, and seem to have a functioning DNS server; however, I'm not >reaching the world. In any case, I'm still not convinced the problems >are all on my end of the system... > >Per the server fund, we're OK. Have more than enough cash at hand. >Ordered a new box for HBD.ORG last month and am still awaiting delivery. > >Thanks for the look in. When things like this happen, I tend to go all >"a$$h0les and elbows" to resolve the issues and forget to downstream the >news (though I have updated rec.crafts.brewing a couple of times). There you all are. Jeff -- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, JeffRenner`at`comcast.net "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943 ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:30:01 -0400 Subject: BJCP web site > > >From: Larry Koret Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:01:17 -0400 > >I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is coming up. Are they having problems? > The BJCP web site is hosted on the HBD.org server. The server is currently under repair from both hardware and software problems. Plus the ISP changed the way they're doing DNS, which is causing some problems. Here is a note from Pat Babcock as of 5/13: > Covad changed the way they delegate DNS, so when they upgraded our IP > block, DNS became hosed. Working to resolve. > > Also, the HBD server itself is in pretty bad shape, and it doesn't look > like I'll be able to recover the box. (data is safe). I will have to > rebuild it once the greater problem of getting the network back on the > internet is resolved. > > Have no ETA. Running solo on the HBD with a real life to tend to. Doing > the best I can... =Spencer ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Paolino Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:23 -0400 Subject: RE: BJCP website Larry Koret wrote on Thu, 13 May 2004 09:01:17 -0400: > I have tried checking the BJCP website for the last few days and nothing is > coming up. Are they having problems? Has the name of the site changed? > Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. I used the bjcp site as recently as last Tuesday (4 May), to print selected style descriptions for a class I was co-leading. Just wondering--is the bjcp site hosted by hbd.org? That's been out for several days. Or is it just a coincidence that they're both down? Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino "Homer, why don't you get one of those hands-free phones? It's the next best thing to paying attention to the road." --Barney, The Simpsons ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top-posting frowned upon? ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************