Subject: Digest for the period 4/14/2004 - 4/15/2004 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:01:01 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. BJCP test (John O. Martin, Jr.) 2. Cell Phones (Mike Dixon) 3. Re: Quantifying Judges (Steve Fletty) 4. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! [and phones] (Bob Paolino) 5. Voter apathy? (Ed Westemeier) 6. Boneyard Brew-Off, June 5, Champaign IL (Joel Plutchak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John O. Martin, Jr. Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:01:40 -0500 Subject: BJCP test I'm taking the test next week. Do they tell you the kind of beer one is judging on the test? Thanks in advance. Cheers from 3MY John O. Martin, Jr. old Naval Aviator and Skywagon N922M Pilot 315 E Santa Fe Rd, Chillicothe, IL 61523-9383 H:309 249-4409 F:249-4109 W:309 494-9320 H: n922m`at`dr.com T:(travelling) fmh3 at yahoo.com ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dixon Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:35:05 -0400 Subject: Cell Phones My $0.02. Turn off the ringer, put it on vibrate and judge away...if a call comes in you must take, politely excuse yourself at a time that will not adversely affect the judging of an entry and return the call. Cheers, Mike Dixon Wake Forest, NC ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fletty Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:47:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Quantifying Judges ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie Oliver Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:25:28 -0700 > Subject: Quantifying Judges > > > I haven't been judging nearly as long as Steve Casselman and I disagree > with trying to highlight 'problem' judges based on variance in their > scoring. This could be an issue, but I don't feel it is going to be the best > indicator of poor feedback. Valarie is correct. Score variance is not the real issue. Crappy judging and poor scoresheets is. Any moron can write: "hops good" for the aroma and "malt" in the flavor section. I expect that from an inexperienced or new judge. Having a national judge write 3 words per section is bordering on disgraceful and is shoddy at best. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Paolino Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:50:32 -0400 Subject: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! [and phones] Bill Wible wrote on Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:05:47 -0400: > In my case, for example, I own a homebrew shop. When I > judge, its just about always on a Saturday, because that > seems to be the only day these things can ever be held. > I've asked many, many times if these competitions could > be held on Sunday. But most other people seem to think > that's a bad idea. My club has hosted some of its competitions on Sundays in the past and it's worked out well. (One of our sites in the past has been the pub where the club has its weekly meetings, and the pub is available to us because it's closed on Sundays. As the owner describes why it's not open seven days, "Lincoln freed the slaves." :-) ) But although the beers entered are bigger--we offer a competition for high (modestly defined) gravity beers in the spring and one for Belgians (not necessarily high, but commonly so) in the autumn--the competitions are smaller, so we can start in the early afternoon, thereby not interfering with those who choose to participate in Christian worship services. That's one reason larger competitions might not be able to do Sundays as easily as we have. (That ignores the fact that Saturday competitions are a problem for people of some other religions.) I have, however, judged on Sundays (after church) for the NHC, but we've started late morning/early afternoon as a continuation of Saturday judging, not trying to get an entire competition in. The other issue for larger competitions is that they need to attract large numbers of out-of-town judges, and Sunday gives judges a day to travel home. I'll agree with Bill that some competitions could be done on Sundays and ought to be considered, but it's not something that will work easily for all competitions. [As for the phone thing, I don't mind people using mobile phones if they are discreet about it. That means you give first priority to the people who are right there in front of you rather than dropping everything to take a phone call (get a number and call back after finishing the judging of the beer you're working on), and you excuse yourself to go to a private area for the conversation, as Bill described.] Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino UWCU members: Please vote this month for your new board. (Hint: Only one candidate mentioned beer.) "Homer, why don't you get one of those hands-free phones? It's the next best thing to paying attention to the road." --Barney, The Simpsons ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Westemeier Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:04:33 -0400 Subject: Voter apathy? =46or those who are current BJCP judges in the Northeast region, please do us two favors. =46irst, cast your vote for regional rep on the BJCP board of directors if you haven't done so already. Second, remind your friends to do the same. You must know some judges who don't subscribe to this publication. With three weeks left, the voter turnout is about 23%. Voting is simple and fast: 1. Have your BJCP number and password ready. If you've lost your password, send an email to it_director`at`bjcp.org and ask for it to be emailed to you. 2. Go to 3. Read the candidate statements and click the button to go to the online voting booth. In the name of good government, we thank you. Ed Westemeier BJCP Communication Director ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Plutchak Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:50:49 +0000 Subject: Boneyard Brew-Off, June 5, Champaign IL Brewers and meadmakers, start your kettles! Judges, mark your calendars! The 10th Annual Boneyard Brew-Off will be held on June 5, organized by the Boneyard Union of Zymurgical Zealots, Champaign Illinois. Be the first on your block to win a ribbon in the anticipated new BJCP categories of Roggenbier, Irish Red Ale, Imperial IPA, American Stout, or Baltic Porter! We are also continuing our tradition of a No One Gets Out Alive High-Gravity category, with a hedonic judging of any beer or mead with a starting gravity over 1.070. Details are available on the World Wide Web at: http://www.uiuc.edu/ro/BUZZ/brewoff.html Entry forms will be available for download, and are being snail-mailed out to regional clubs and judges, in the next week or so. Online judge and entry registration will be enabled around May 1. Entries will be accepted May 24 through June 2. To receive a hard copy of the materials or for more information, contact one of the following people: Competition Organizer: Britt Weiser Judge Director: Joel Plutchak _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 4/14/2004 - 4/15/2004 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:01:01 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. BJCP test (John O. Martin, Jr.) 2. Cell Phones (Mike Dixon) 3. Re: Quantifying Judges (Steve Fletty) 4. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! [and phones] (Bob Paolino) 5. Voter apathy? (Ed Westemeier) 6. Boneyard Brew-Off, June 5, Champaign IL (Joel Plutchak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John O. Martin, Jr. Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:01:40 -0500 Subject: BJCP test I'm taking the test next week. Do they tell you the kind of beer one is judging on the test? Thanks in advance. Cheers from 3MY John O. Martin, Jr. old Naval Aviator and Skywagon N922M Pilot 315 E Santa Fe Rd, Chillicothe, IL 61523-9383 H:309 249-4409 F:249-4109 W:309 494-9320 H: n922m`at`dr.com T:(travelling) fmh3 at yahoo.com ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dixon Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:35:05 -0400 Subject: Cell Phones My $0.02. Turn off the ringer, put it on vibrate and judge away...if a call comes in you must take, politely excuse yourself at a time that will not adversely affect the judging of an entry and return the call. Cheers, Mike Dixon Wake Forest, NC ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fletty Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:47:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Quantifying Judges ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie Oliver Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:25:28 -0700 > Subject: Quantifying Judges > > > I haven't been judging nearly as long as Steve Casselman and I disagree > with trying to highlight 'problem' judges based on variance in their > scoring. This could be an issue, but I don't feel it is going to be the best > indicator of poor feedback. Valarie is correct. Score variance is not the real issue. Crappy judging and poor scoresheets is. Any moron can write: "hops good" for the aroma and "malt" in the flavor section. I expect that from an inexperienced or new judge. Having a national judge write 3 words per section is bordering on disgraceful and is shoddy at best. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Paolino Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:50:32 -0400 Subject: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! [and phones] Bill Wible wrote on Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:05:47 -0400: > In my case, for example, I own a homebrew shop. When I > judge, its just about always on a Saturday, because that > seems to be the only day these things can ever be held. > I've asked many, many times if these competitions could > be held on Sunday. But most other people seem to think > that's a bad idea. My club has hosted some of its competitions on Sundays in the past and it's worked out well. (One of our sites in the past has been the pub where the club has its weekly meetings, and the pub is available to us because it's closed on Sundays. As the owner describes why it's not open seven days, "Lincoln freed the slaves." :-) ) But although the beers entered are bigger--we offer a competition for high (modestly defined) gravity beers in the spring and one for Belgians (not necessarily high, but commonly so) in the autumn--the competitions are smaller, so we can start in the early afternoon, thereby not interfering with those who choose to participate in Christian worship services. That's one reason larger competitions might not be able to do Sundays as easily as we have. (That ignores the fact that Saturday competitions are a problem for people of some other religions.) I have, however, judged on Sundays (after church) for the NHC, but we've started late morning/early afternoon as a continuation of Saturday judging, not trying to get an entire competition in. The other issue for larger competitions is that they need to attract large numbers of out-of-town judges, and Sunday gives judges a day to travel home. I'll agree with Bill that some competitions could be done on Sundays and ought to be considered, but it's not something that will work easily for all competitions. [As for the phone thing, I don't mind people using mobile phones if they are discreet about it. That means you give first priority to the people who are right there in front of you rather than dropping everything to take a phone call (get a number and call back after finishing the judging of the beer you're working on), and you excuse yourself to go to a private area for the conversation, as Bill described.] Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino UWCU members: Please vote this month for your new board. (Hint: Only one candidate mentioned beer.) "Homer, why don't you get one of those hands-free phones? It's the next best thing to paying attention to the road." --Barney, The Simpsons ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Westemeier Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:04:33 -0400 Subject: Voter apathy? =46or those who are current BJCP judges in the Northeast region, please do us two favors. =46irst, cast your vote for regional rep on the BJCP board of directors if you haven't done so already. Second, remind your friends to do the same. You must know some judges who don't subscribe to this publication. With three weeks left, the voter turnout is about 23%. Voting is simple and fast: 1. Have your BJCP number and password ready. If you've lost your password, send an email to it_director`at`bjcp.org and ask for it to be emailed to you. 2. Go to 3. Read the candidate statements and click the button to go to the online voting booth. In the name of good government, we thank you. Ed Westemeier BJCP Communication Director ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Plutchak Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:50:49 +0000 Subject: Boneyard Brew-Off, June 5, Champaign IL Brewers and meadmakers, start your kettles! Judges, mark your calendars! The 10th Annual Boneyard Brew-Off will be held on June 5, organized by the Boneyard Union of Zymurgical Zealots, Champaign Illinois. Be the first on your block to win a ribbon in the anticipated new BJCP categories of Roggenbier, Irish Red Ale, Imperial IPA, American Stout, or Baltic Porter! We are also continuing our tradition of a No One Gets Out Alive High-Gravity category, with a hedonic judging of any beer or mead with a starting gravity over 1.070. Details are available on the World Wide Web at: http://www.uiuc.edu/ro/BUZZ/brewoff.html Entry forms will be available for download, and are being snail-mailed out to regional clubs and judges, in the next week or so. Online judge and entry registration will be enabled around May 1. Entries will be accepted May 24 through June 2. To receive a hard copy of the materials or for more information, contact one of the following people: Competition Organizer: Britt Weiser Judge Director: Joel Plutchak _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************