Subject: Digest for the period 3/8/2004 - 3/9/2004 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:04:25 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Paying Judges (Don Van Valkenburg) 2. Alternate Path to Master Judge (Ted Hausotter) 3. Points for Master and Judging Sites (David Craft) 4. Alternate path to master judge (Mike Winnie) 5. Re: Alternate path to Master Judge (BillPierce`at`aol.com) 6. MCAB VI competition (Spencer W. Thomas) 7. Paying Judges (Ted Hausotter) 8. RE: Alternate Path to Master Judge (Joel Plutchak) 9. US Open annual Homebrew Competition (GaryC3`at`aol.com) 10. 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES (RJKChicago`at`aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Van Valkenburg Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:30:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Paying Judges I just want to clarify one point regarding paying judges. I want to make it clear that the competition in which I am suggesting the paying of judges is for a commercial beer competition. Not a homebrew competition. I think there are many reasons (which I won't discuss now) why I would NOT want to see homebrew competitions have to pay judges. OK, I will mention one BIG reason. It would create an unnecessary financial burden on the competition. Don Van Valkenburg ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Hausotter Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:13:48 -0800 Subject: Alternate Path to Master Judge I think that alternate paths to Master will cheapen the honor of the rank. I feel the current path is easy enough now. We all know the path and agreed to it when we took our first test. However, as an alternative, if these good judges need recognation, why not add a distingushed national rank. Ted Hausotter National Judge Baker City, OR _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Craft Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:21:46 -0500 Subject: Points for Master and Judging Sites Greetings, I like the alternate path to Master, except for the getting the points posted part, :>) Also, I have mentioned to several people in this part of the country about having contests at Churchs. Fellowship Hall are large, open, and usually next to a kitchen. Works great and it beats a smelly restaurant any day! Looks like the Maltose Falcons have a good thing going with the Episcopalians! Brewing on in North Carolina, home of the Episcopal Church! At least we think so. David B. Craft Battleground Brewers Guild Crow Hill Brewery and Meadery Greensboro, NC ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Winnie Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:59:24 -0500 Subject: Alternate path to master judge I like Michael Hall's proposal of 10 judging points equals one test point as a way of achieving the 90 exam score to get master. He says that there is a flaw in his logic in that a judge with an 88 would only need 20 points judging to get national and master at the same time. This isn't true. The 20 points would boost his score to 90, but the judge would still need 40 points to get master anyway. This makes a lot of sense since an 88 score is so close to master level already. I do think that if you use the points to increase your exam level, then you must not be allowed to use those points for the minimum point levels for master and GM. If you do this then the 10 points for 1 exam point may be too high a price to pay (this could be 2 years of judging). 5 points may be a better number. Mike Winnie National Judge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillPierce`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:11:14 EST Subject: Re: Alternate path to Master Judge I for one approve of an alternate path to obtaining Master status. I don't believe that it demeans the rank of Master if someone has achieved it by extensive experience but a slightly lower exam score. My opinion is that the exam unduly rewards those with excellent rote memory skills as opposed to a true knowledge of beer evaluation. I would much rather have my beer judged by someone with 100 experience points and an exam score of 80 than another judge with a 90 on the exam but only limited experience. I agree with Mike Dixon that the rank of Grand Master should be reserved for those with the highest exam scores. They deserve a reward for the extensive memorization required to achieve a 90 on the exam. By the way, why does Michael Hall seem reluctant to give the membership an opportunity to discuss the issue in this forum? Are we not reasoned and intelligent enough to treat these matters here? After all, almost everyone reading this is a BJCP member and interested enough in the BJCP to make an effort to keep up with issues that affect all of us and homebrewing in general. Brew on! -- Bill Pierce Cellar Door Homebrewery Burlington, Ontario ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:56:26 -0500 Subject: MCAB VI competition MCAB VI (Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing) judging will take place in Warren, Michigan (just north of Detroit) on July 23, 2004. We are proposing a fairly low-key event this year, focussing on the judging. We are planning a couple of beer/social events plus a tasting/sensory evaluation seminar and a BJCP exam. This note is to give y'all a heads-up so you'll start thinking about travelling to Michigan for the competition. The proposed schedule looks like this: Thursday, July 22nd, evening, reception at Dragonmead microbrewery (43 taps, all their own). Friday, July 23rd, afternoon, sensory evaluation/tasting seminar/workshop. Friday, July 23rd, evening, judging (with parallel pub crawl for non-judges). Saturday, July 24th, morning, awards ceremony. Saturday, July 24th, afternoon, VIP admittance to the Michigan Brewers Festival. Saturday, July 24th, evening, "afterglow" at the Frog Island Brewery. Sunday, July 25th, afternoon, BJCP exam (schedule tentative at this point.) Details will follow and will be posted on the web site, http://hbd.org/mcab, as we get them organized. We will also have registration materials available there. We hope to make the event free for attendees, with costs picked up by sponsors. To keep the quality of judging at this event at its historic level, I'm hoping to gather at least 20 judges ranked National and above. That way we can put two highly ranked judges on each table, and give the brewers the best possible feedback. Certified and Recognized judges are also welcomed and will participate in the judging. This is your chance to get some experience judging with many of the best judges in the country. I still remember my first MCAB, where I had the opportunity to judge alongside one of the founders of the BJCP. Special note: If you are the director of one of the qualifying events, Jerry Bonnici should be contacting you soon to get the list of qualifying brewers from you. Or, you could speed up the process by forwarding your list to him at the address below. Thanks, and hope to see you all there! Contacts: Spencer Thomas, spencer`at`umich.edu, Judge Director. (Ann Arbor Brewers Guild) Jerry Bonnici, jerrybon`at`comcast.net, Registrar. (CRAFT Homebrew Club) Rex Halfpenny, mibeerguyd`at`aol.com, Competition Director. =S MCAB: Where it really IS all about the beer! ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Hausotter Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:12:47 -0800 Subject: Paying Judges My first response posted Sunday was short and whimsical. In refelction to the real unasked question is "How do I get judges to judge beer", I suggest the following. Stange Brew does this for The Slurp & Burp Open coming up April 3. Call, e-mail, remind. How many of us judges forget till noon and its to late? Give a good lunch. Doesn't have to be gourmet, but not a baloney banquet. Give the judges a free beer at the pub you are holding the competition. Give the judges a thank you pack. The Slurp & Burp gives a small pack of hops, cleaner ect. At other competitions I have gotten a 6 pack of beer. Keep it moving. Judges do not like hanging around without anything to judge! Work at keeping it moving. Have flights waiting on the judges. I know we have all been to a little 100 entry competition that takes longer than a 250 entry competition. Work on the flow. Overall, I am not opposed to receive the money. However, I do think that in the long term it is extremely determental to the hobby. 30 judges time 50 dollars equals $1,500. For 100 entry competition that is $15 dollar per entry. For a 300 entry competition that is $7.50 dollar entry fee just to pay for the judging. Add to this the cost to supply medals, mailing, paperwork ect. At the Slurp & Burp we charge $6 per entry and it costs up $1500 to put on the event. We get a little over 300 entries. (Yes we break even. Any money we make is from the raffle) Add to that the cost of judging expense of 7.5. That is $13.5 a entry or more. At that rate we can all get a new hobby. Homebrewers will not pay us 13.5 an entry to judge beer! Ted Hausotter National Beer Judge Slurp & Burp contest organizer _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Plutchak Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:25:09 +0000 Subject: RE: Alternate Path to Master Judge My test score puts me in the National rank, and by my count I have over 40 BJCP points, so a change such as is under discussion could very well impact me. That said, I'm not sure any adjustment in determining rank is needed. The current system seems to work, and people who simply don't want to retest can remain at whatever level they are at. Those of us who regularly judge in our respective regions and solicit judges for local competitions know who the good judges are regardless of their rank. (Hey Bob, are you still "Recognized Forever"?) However, if the BJCP board wants to change the status quo to provide an alternate path to the Master rank, why not do something similar for the other ranks, too? Seems to me the same issues are pertinent. If anything, I'd think there might be more reason for doing something for the lower ranks. E.g., the only person I know who got below a 60 on the exam really knows beer well, has been a professional brewer for about ten years, etc. However, he has a learning disorder that makes testing almost impossible for him. While an "Honorary Master" ranking would not make sense, some sort of designated Recognized status may be appropriate. Joel Plutchak _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GaryC3`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:22:08 EST Subject: US Open annual Homebrew Competition The Carolina Brewmasters are proud to announce that the 2004 U.S. Open home brew competition will be held on Saturday, April 24th at the Mellow Mushroom at 3228 North Davidson St in Charlotte, NC. This will be the second event in the Carolina Brewer of the Year championship. All BJCP recognized styles including meads and ciders are eligible for entry. Online entry forms will be available March 20th on the web site For complete details and forms, please visit the Carolina Brewmasters web site at http://hbd.org/cbm. Entries will be accepted between March 22nd and April 17th. Two bottles per entry with an entry fee of $6 for the first entry and $4 for each additional entry. BJCP Judges and stewards will be needed. You can sign up with the online entry forms or contact me with info on the web site. Gary Cathey Carolina Brewmasters US Open Organizer Web Page Author http://hbd.org/cbm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJKChicago`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:38:49 EST Subject: 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES March 13th is the deadline for entries, and a $100 gift certificate from NorthernBrewers.Com goes to the Best of Show winner. Fellow homebrewers and beer judges, It's nearly spring... that can only mean one thing: It's time for the 6th Annual Urban Knaves of Grain Drunk Monk Challenge! The DMC is an AHA sanctioned competition, a qualifying event for the MCAB (Master Championship of Amateur Brewing), and a leg of Midwest Homebrewer of the Year. In addition to the BJCP categories of beer, mead, and cider, we'll once again feature our own special category, the Menace of the Monastery, for beer styles with roots in the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales, plus German doppelbock. This year, the winner of Best of Show will have the opportunity to brew their beer at Walter Payton's Roundhouse, while the Menace of the Monastery champion will have the same opportunity at Govnor's Pub, in Lake of the Hills, IL. The competition will be held on Saturday, March 20th, at Walter Payton's Roundhouse - America's Brewery, in Aurora IL. Entries will be accepted between March 1st thru March 13th. Please visit the competition website for additional information, forms, and on-line registration: http://www.knaves.org/dmc/ If you are interested in judging at the DMC, please contact Mike Uchima by e-mail at uchima`at`pobox.com, or by phone at 630-416-9518. We will need to know your current BJCP experience level; what styles you are entering in the competition (if any); and any styles you would prefer to judge (or not judge). Thanks. Cheers! Rodney Kibzey (Co-organizer) -Urban Knaves of Grain www.knaves.org -Drunk Monk Challenge www.knaves.org/dmc ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 3/8/2004 - 3/9/2004 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 01:04:25 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Paying Judges (Don Van Valkenburg) 2. Alternate Path to Master Judge (Ted Hausotter) 3. Points for Master and Judging Sites (David Craft) 4. Alternate path to master judge (Mike Winnie) 5. Re: Alternate path to Master Judge (BillPierce`at`aol.com) 6. MCAB VI competition (Spencer W. Thomas) 7. Paying Judges (Ted Hausotter) 8. RE: Alternate Path to Master Judge (Joel Plutchak) 9. US Open annual Homebrew Competition (GaryC3`at`aol.com) 10. 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES (RJKChicago`at`aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Van Valkenburg Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:30:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Paying Judges I just want to clarify one point regarding paying judges. I want to make it clear that the competition in which I am suggesting the paying of judges is for a commercial beer competition. Not a homebrew competition. I think there are many reasons (which I won't discuss now) why I would NOT want to see homebrew competitions have to pay judges. OK, I will mention one BIG reason. It would create an unnecessary financial burden on the competition. Don Van Valkenburg ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Hausotter Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:13:48 -0800 Subject: Alternate Path to Master Judge I think that alternate paths to Master will cheapen the honor of the rank. I feel the current path is easy enough now. We all know the path and agreed to it when we took our first test. However, as an alternative, if these good judges need recognation, why not add a distingushed national rank. Ted Hausotter National Judge Baker City, OR _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Craft Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:21:46 -0500 Subject: Points for Master and Judging Sites Greetings, I like the alternate path to Master, except for the getting the points posted part, :>) Also, I have mentioned to several people in this part of the country about having contests at Churchs. Fellowship Hall are large, open, and usually next to a kitchen. Works great and it beats a smelly restaurant any day! Looks like the Maltose Falcons have a good thing going with the Episcopalians! Brewing on in North Carolina, home of the Episcopal Church! At least we think so. David B. Craft Battleground Brewers Guild Crow Hill Brewery and Meadery Greensboro, NC ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Winnie Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:59:24 -0500 Subject: Alternate path to master judge I like Michael Hall's proposal of 10 judging points equals one test point as a way of achieving the 90 exam score to get master. He says that there is a flaw in his logic in that a judge with an 88 would only need 20 points judging to get national and master at the same time. This isn't true. The 20 points would boost his score to 90, but the judge would still need 40 points to get master anyway. This makes a lot of sense since an 88 score is so close to master level already. I do think that if you use the points to increase your exam level, then you must not be allowed to use those points for the minimum point levels for master and GM. If you do this then the 10 points for 1 exam point may be too high a price to pay (this could be 2 years of judging). 5 points may be a better number. Mike Winnie National Judge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillPierce`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:11:14 EST Subject: Re: Alternate path to Master Judge I for one approve of an alternate path to obtaining Master status. I don't believe that it demeans the rank of Master if someone has achieved it by extensive experience but a slightly lower exam score. My opinion is that the exam unduly rewards those with excellent rote memory skills as opposed to a true knowledge of beer evaluation. I would much rather have my beer judged by someone with 100 experience points and an exam score of 80 than another judge with a 90 on the exam but only limited experience. I agree with Mike Dixon that the rank of Grand Master should be reserved for those with the highest exam scores. They deserve a reward for the extensive memorization required to achieve a 90 on the exam. By the way, why does Michael Hall seem reluctant to give the membership an opportunity to discuss the issue in this forum? Are we not reasoned and intelligent enough to treat these matters here? After all, almost everyone reading this is a BJCP member and interested enough in the BJCP to make an effort to keep up with issues that affect all of us and homebrewing in general. Brew on! -- Bill Pierce Cellar Door Homebrewery Burlington, Ontario ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer W. Thomas Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:56:26 -0500 Subject: MCAB VI competition MCAB VI (Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing) judging will take place in Warren, Michigan (just north of Detroit) on July 23, 2004. We are proposing a fairly low-key event this year, focussing on the judging. We are planning a couple of beer/social events plus a tasting/sensory evaluation seminar and a BJCP exam. This note is to give y'all a heads-up so you'll start thinking about travelling to Michigan for the competition. The proposed schedule looks like this: Thursday, July 22nd, evening, reception at Dragonmead microbrewery (43 taps, all their own). Friday, July 23rd, afternoon, sensory evaluation/tasting seminar/workshop. Friday, July 23rd, evening, judging (with parallel pub crawl for non-judges). Saturday, July 24th, morning, awards ceremony. Saturday, July 24th, afternoon, VIP admittance to the Michigan Brewers Festival. Saturday, July 24th, evening, "afterglow" at the Frog Island Brewery. Sunday, July 25th, afternoon, BJCP exam (schedule tentative at this point.) Details will follow and will be posted on the web site, http://hbd.org/mcab, as we get them organized. We will also have registration materials available there. We hope to make the event free for attendees, with costs picked up by sponsors. To keep the quality of judging at this event at its historic level, I'm hoping to gather at least 20 judges ranked National and above. That way we can put two highly ranked judges on each table, and give the brewers the best possible feedback. Certified and Recognized judges are also welcomed and will participate in the judging. This is your chance to get some experience judging with many of the best judges in the country. I still remember my first MCAB, where I had the opportunity to judge alongside one of the founders of the BJCP. Special note: If you are the director of one of the qualifying events, Jerry Bonnici should be contacting you soon to get the list of qualifying brewers from you. Or, you could speed up the process by forwarding your list to him at the address below. Thanks, and hope to see you all there! Contacts: Spencer Thomas, spencer`at`umich.edu, Judge Director. (Ann Arbor Brewers Guild) Jerry Bonnici, jerrybon`at`comcast.net, Registrar. (CRAFT Homebrew Club) Rex Halfpenny, mibeerguyd`at`aol.com, Competition Director. =S MCAB: Where it really IS all about the beer! ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Hausotter Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:12:47 -0800 Subject: Paying Judges My first response posted Sunday was short and whimsical. In refelction to the real unasked question is "How do I get judges to judge beer", I suggest the following. Stange Brew does this for The Slurp & Burp Open coming up April 3. Call, e-mail, remind. How many of us judges forget till noon and its to late? Give a good lunch. Doesn't have to be gourmet, but not a baloney banquet. Give the judges a free beer at the pub you are holding the competition. Give the judges a thank you pack. The Slurp & Burp gives a small pack of hops, cleaner ect. At other competitions I have gotten a 6 pack of beer. Keep it moving. Judges do not like hanging around without anything to judge! Work at keeping it moving. Have flights waiting on the judges. I know we have all been to a little 100 entry competition that takes longer than a 250 entry competition. Work on the flow. Overall, I am not opposed to receive the money. However, I do think that in the long term it is extremely determental to the hobby. 30 judges time 50 dollars equals $1,500. For 100 entry competition that is $15 dollar per entry. For a 300 entry competition that is $7.50 dollar entry fee just to pay for the judging. Add to this the cost to supply medals, mailing, paperwork ect. At the Slurp & Burp we charge $6 per entry and it costs up $1500 to put on the event. We get a little over 300 entries. (Yes we break even. Any money we make is from the raffle) Add to that the cost of judging expense of 7.5. That is $13.5 a entry or more. At that rate we can all get a new hobby. Homebrewers will not pay us 13.5 an entry to judge beer! Ted Hausotter National Beer Judge Slurp & Burp contest organizer _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Plutchak Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:25:09 +0000 Subject: RE: Alternate Path to Master Judge My test score puts me in the National rank, and by my count I have over 40 BJCP points, so a change such as is under discussion could very well impact me. That said, I'm not sure any adjustment in determining rank is needed. The current system seems to work, and people who simply don't want to retest can remain at whatever level they are at. Those of us who regularly judge in our respective regions and solicit judges for local competitions know who the good judges are regardless of their rank. (Hey Bob, are you still "Recognized Forever"?) However, if the BJCP board wants to change the status quo to provide an alternate path to the Master rank, why not do something similar for the other ranks, too? Seems to me the same issues are pertinent. If anything, I'd think there might be more reason for doing something for the lower ranks. E.g., the only person I know who got below a 60 on the exam really knows beer well, has been a professional brewer for about ten years, etc. However, he has a learning disorder that makes testing almost impossible for him. While an "Honorary Master" ranking would not make sense, some sort of designated Recognized status may be appropriate. Joel Plutchak _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GaryC3`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:22:08 EST Subject: US Open annual Homebrew Competition The Carolina Brewmasters are proud to announce that the 2004 U.S. Open home brew competition will be held on Saturday, April 24th at the Mellow Mushroom at 3228 North Davidson St in Charlotte, NC. This will be the second event in the Carolina Brewer of the Year championship. All BJCP recognized styles including meads and ciders are eligible for entry. Online entry forms will be available March 20th on the web site For complete details and forms, please visit the Carolina Brewmasters web site at http://hbd.org/cbm. Entries will be accepted between March 22nd and April 17th. Two bottles per entry with an entry fee of $6 for the first entry and $4 for each additional entry. BJCP Judges and stewards will be needed. You can sign up with the online entry forms or contact me with info on the web site. Gary Cathey Carolina Brewmasters US Open Organizer Web Page Author http://hbd.org/cbm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJKChicago`at`aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:38:49 EST Subject: 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES 6th Annual Drunk Monk Challenge - FINAL WEEK FOR ENTRIES March 13th is the deadline for entries, and a $100 gift certificate from NorthernBrewers.Com goes to the Best of Show winner. Fellow homebrewers and beer judges, It's nearly spring... that can only mean one thing: It's time for the 6th Annual Urban Knaves of Grain Drunk Monk Challenge! The DMC is an AHA sanctioned competition, a qualifying event for the MCAB (Master Championship of Amateur Brewing), and a leg of Midwest Homebrewer of the Year. In addition to the BJCP categories of beer, mead, and cider, we'll once again feature our own special category, the Menace of the Monastery, for beer styles with roots in the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales, plus German doppelbock. This year, the winner of Best of Show will have the opportunity to brew their beer at Walter Payton's Roundhouse, while the Menace of the Monastery champion will have the same opportunity at Govnor's Pub, in Lake of the Hills, IL. The competition will be held on Saturday, March 20th, at Walter Payton's Roundhouse - America's Brewery, in Aurora IL. Entries will be accepted between March 1st thru March 13th. Please visit the competition website for additional information, forms, and on-line registration: http://www.knaves.org/dmc/ If you are interested in judging at the DMC, please contact Mike Uchima by e-mail at uchima`at`pobox.com, or by phone at 630-416-9518. We will need to know your current BJCP experience level; what styles you are entering in the competition (if any); and any styles you would prefer to judge (or not judge). Thanks. Cheers! Rodney Kibzey (Co-organizer) -Urban Knaves of Grain www.knaves.org -Drunk Monk Challenge www.knaves.org/dmc ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************