Subject: Digest for the period 2/22/2004 - 2/23/2004
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:02:14 -0500
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1. Tmave beers (Jesse Stricker)
2. RE: Posting Points (Alan Hord)
3. Re: Posting Points (Travis Dahl KE4VYZ)
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From: Jesse Stricker Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:01:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tmave beers
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Richard Stueven Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:57:01 -0600
> Subject: Ceske tmave pivo
>
>
> Anybody here have experience with Czech "tmave" beers?
> Are they similar to Munich Dunkel? Schwarzbier? Something
> else entirely? I'm not finding much help in the standard
> references.
I was in the Czech Republic in 1999 and drank a lot of tmave beer.
Tmave means "dark", if I recall correctly. They have a touch of dark
roasty character, but it's soft and not at all harsh. There's lots of
malt, and the diacetyl you get in Czech pilsners. There's less hop
bitterness than in a Czech pilsner. Same water and yeast as Czech
pilsners. You might think of it as a schwartzbier with Czech water (i.e.
neutral), Czech yeast (diacetyl) and Czech techniques. In fact, that's
not a bad place to start cloning the style, although the dark component of
the grain bill has always puzzled me.
If you can find it, there's a brand called Herold that we can get
in NC that immediately took me back to Prague. (I think Herold is the
brewery, and I can't remember the beer name, but it's the dark one.)
There was a recipe in a St. Patrick's catalog a while back -- it
supposedly came from a Czech brewer, but I brewed it a couple of times and
it wasn't particularly close.
I can dig out that recipe and any other notes I might have. I'm
in the process of unpacking after a move, so it'll be a while. They're
wonderful beers.
Jesse
--
Jesse Stricker jds19`at`duke.edu
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From: Alan Hord Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:40:54 -0800
Subject: RE: Posting Points
Denis Barsalo writes:
How much could it possibly cost to put something together to facilitate
posting points????
I have developed a better method:
Given - we are dealing with the laborious issue of the BJCP typing in
hand-written reports into their database; anyone that does data entry should
be respected. _I_ certainly DO NOT have that kind of patience! I am
compelled to write macros and applications instead ;o)
Sadly the process for getting points into a useable form is still with us:
pen & paper, scribbling away, hoping we write legibly enough, callused
stubby fingers pounding away transcribing that literal ink, and all the
while listening to the dearth of a few thankless citizens that want to throw
the baby out with the bathwater... That's crazy man!
Methinks that those of Woe & Fun should use automata and help are barley
Bros & Sisters in this processing. Volunteer my services I did, and once
again I promote an honest effort to resolve many issues:
http://www.HordsOfFun.Com/hbc/
The Organizer's Final Report can still be printed (dusty old method) or
kindly sent back to the BJCP as an XML file in email (very mod and trendy).
By using XML, the clever gurus at the BJCP can directly uptake the report
with much less human processing; the energy involved I dare say is 100-fold
less! That leaves more time for beer appreciation :o) ~YAH!
I dunno about you but that sounds just dandy to me!
On a sidebar:
I am running my HBC just now; the Cascadia Cup in Western Washington. The
folks up my way already know my system. I had probably one of the best
complements of the whole new year given to me just yesterday by Larry
Lawrence, owner of NW Brewers Supply in Anacortes, WA. Larry acts as a
collection point for our Club; he processes the competition entries of his
region for us. Larry digs the Online Registration! When he gets a paper
entry he uses his own store computer to transcribe the person's info into
our system. It makes our job so much easier!
I have to say that the adoption of Online Registration was a long time
coming. It's really cool, and all very slick. Give it a whirl and let me
know what you think.
Cheers, Alan Hord - Organizer of the Cascadia Cup
http://www.cascadebrewersguild.org/competition/2004cbgcontest.asp
National near Seattle; where recycling is a joyous activity and an afternoon
sunbreak is worth a week of rain
PS - Steve Casselman: I liked your song too :oD
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From: Travis Dahl KE4VYZ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:13:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Posting Points
Denis Barsalo asks:
>How much could it possibly cost to put something together to facilitate
>posting points????
You would be amazed what hiring a professional database programmer
costs! (Not to mention how long it might take them to do
something.) Definitely an area where motivated volunteers could be useful.
I suspect, based on what I've seen posted here, that the real problem is a
volunteer finding the time to sit down and enter all of the information in
a database. I can certainly understand how this can take a while and why a
well-meaning volunteer may end up with a backlog.
My suggestion would be to create some standardized format electronic format
(a MS Excel file or a text file) that gets filled out by the competition
director and emailed to the BJCP. The file could then be directly read
into a program that would check for errors and enter all valid points into
the database. (This is similar to what many amateur radio contests are
doing now to calculate point standings.)
Obviously, this would require some significant volunteer effort, but I
think it is manageable. (And I would be willing to volunteer a part of the
time and effort myself, even though I'm not yet a member of the BJCP. It
might be worth it to just to see this line of conversation die out :)
-Travis
A2, MI
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Subject: Digest for the period 2/22/2004 - 2/23/2004
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:02:14 -0500
Table of contents
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1. Tmave beers (Jesse Stricker)
2. RE: Posting Points (Alan Hord)
3. Re: Posting Points (Travis Dahl KE4VYZ)
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From: Jesse Stricker Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:01:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tmave beers
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Richard Stueven Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:57:01 -0600
> Subject: Ceske tmave pivo
>
>
> Anybody here have experience with Czech "tmave" beers?
> Are they similar to Munich Dunkel? Schwarzbier? Something
> else entirely? I'm not finding much help in the standard
> references.
I was in the Czech Republic in 1999 and drank a lot of tmave beer.
Tmave means "dark", if I recall correctly. They have a touch of dark
roasty character, but it's soft and not at all harsh. There's lots of
malt, and the diacetyl you get in Czech pilsners. There's less hop
bitterness than in a Czech pilsner. Same water and yeast as Czech
pilsners. You might think of it as a schwartzbier with Czech water (i.e.
neutral), Czech yeast (diacetyl) and Czech techniques. In fact, that's
not a bad place to start cloning the style, although the dark component of
the grain bill has always puzzled me.
If you can find it, there's a brand called Herold that we can get
in NC that immediately took me back to Prague. (I think Herold is the
brewery, and I can't remember the beer name, but it's the dark one.)
There was a recipe in a St. Patrick's catalog a while back -- it
supposedly came from a Czech brewer, but I brewed it a couple of times and
it wasn't particularly close.
I can dig out that recipe and any other notes I might have. I'm
in the process of unpacking after a move, so it'll be a while. They're
wonderful beers.
Jesse
--
Jesse Stricker jds19`at`duke.edu
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From: Alan Hord Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:40:54 -0800
Subject: RE: Posting Points
Denis Barsalo writes:
How much could it possibly cost to put something together to facilitate
posting points????
I have developed a better method:
Given - we are dealing with the laborious issue of the BJCP typing in
hand-written reports into their database; anyone that does data entry should
be respected. _I_ certainly DO NOT have that kind of patience! I am
compelled to write macros and applications instead ;o)
Sadly the process for getting points into a useable form is still with us:
pen & paper, scribbling away, hoping we write legibly enough, callused
stubby fingers pounding away transcribing that literal ink, and all the
while listening to the dearth of a few thankless citizens that want to throw
the baby out with the bathwater... That's crazy man!
Methinks that those of Woe & Fun should use automata and help are barley
Bros & Sisters in this processing. Volunteer my services I did, and once
again I promote an honest effort to resolve many issues:
http://www.HordsOfFun.Com/hbc/
The Organizer's Final Report can still be printed (dusty old method) or
kindly sent back to the BJCP as an XML file in email (very mod and trendy).
By using XML, the clever gurus at the BJCP can directly uptake the report
with much less human processing; the energy involved I dare say is 100-fold
less! That leaves more time for beer appreciation :o) ~YAH!
I dunno about you but that sounds just dandy to me!
On a sidebar:
I am running my HBC just now; the Cascadia Cup in Western Washington. The
folks up my way already know my system. I had probably one of the best
complements of the whole new year given to me just yesterday by Larry
Lawrence, owner of NW Brewers Supply in Anacortes, WA. Larry acts as a
collection point for our Club; he processes the competition entries of his
region for us. Larry digs the Online Registration! When he gets a paper
entry he uses his own store computer to transcribe the person's info into
our system. It makes our job so much easier!
I have to say that the adoption of Online Registration was a long time
coming. It's really cool, and all very slick. Give it a whirl and let me
know what you think.
Cheers, Alan Hord - Organizer of the Cascadia Cup
http://www.cascadebrewersguild.org/competition/2004cbgcontest.asp
National near Seattle; where recycling is a joyous activity and an afternoon
sunbreak is worth a week of rain
PS - Steve Casselman: I liked your song too :oD
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From: Travis Dahl KE4VYZ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:13:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Posting Points
Denis Barsalo asks:
>How much could it possibly cost to put something together to facilitate
>posting points????
You would be amazed what hiring a professional database programmer
costs! (Not to mention how long it might take them to do
something.) Definitely an area where motivated volunteers could be useful.
I suspect, based on what I've seen posted here, that the real problem is a
volunteer finding the time to sit down and enter all of the information in
a database. I can certainly understand how this can take a while and why a
well-meaning volunteer may end up with a backlog.
My suggestion would be to create some standardized format electronic format
(a MS Excel file or a text file) that gets filled out by the competition
director and emailed to the BJCP. The file could then be directly read
into a program that would check for errors and enter all valid points into
the database. (This is similar to what many amateur radio contests are
doing now to calculate point standings.)
Obviously, this would require some significant volunteer effort, but I
think it is manageable. (And I would be willing to volunteer a part of the
time and effort myself, even though I'm not yet a member of the BJCP. It
might be worth it to just to see this line of conversation die out :)
-Travis
A2, MI
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