Subject: Digest for the period 1/28/2004 - 1/29/2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:02:30 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Exam Format (David Houseman) 2. Statistics (kevin pratt) 3. Fwd: Announcement: War of the Worts IX (Chuck Cox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Houseman Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:09:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Exam Format Denny, My question was somewhat rhetorical. I've proctored numerous exams. The answer, IMHO, is that as an examinee I have to watch my time. Plan on about 10 min per beer (40min) with the remaining 140 min for the essay; 14 min per question. Err on the side of caution and plan on 12 min per question; some time to go to the head and to spend time on harder questions. But if the examinee really needs it, s/he can spend less time on a beer and more time on a question -- or vice versa. IF...the tasting is interspersed with the essay and not as a separate timed event. When I proctor exams, I do intersperse the tastings and leave time management to the examinees. Dave ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kevin pratt Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Statistics In the discussion about the test and the vagaries of high scores, I thouoght it would be interesting to note the numbers at each level. The demographics of judges are available on the BJCP website. When the numbers (US only) for Recognized and Certified levels are combined (because often the difference in the two levels is experience points, not test score), we find that about 20% of those move up to National. These percentiles below are "movement up" from the previous group. Rec/Cert 1296 National: 267 20% Master: 35 13% G. M. I 8 22% If these were analagous to academic degrees, Certified could be our AA, National our BA, and Master level, our MA and GMI our Ph.D. Surprisingly, they roughly correspond to enrollment figure percentages in higher education. While I'm not out to equate the BJCP with true higher learning, the degree of difficulty in getting a perfect score does seem more reasonable in this light. Kevin Pratt --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Cox Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:15:21 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Announcement: War of the Worts IX Forwarded for Vince Galet: >From: "Galet, Vince" >To: "'Chuck Cox'" >Subject: Announcement: War of the Worts IX > >The War of the Worts IX will be held on Saturday February 21st - 9:00 AM at >the Drafting room in Spring House, PA. >This an AHA-sanctioned competition presented by Keystone Hops homebrew >club. >All BJCP categories are welcome. Prizes and awards will be given for beers >placing first, second, and third in each category, and for Best of Show. >Points earned will also count towards the Delaware Valley Brewer of the >Year >award. >Full details including entry deadlines, forms, drop-off points, etc... are >available at www.keystonehops.org/wotw/ >The web site also has a section for judge & steward registration - Please >consider joining us for this fine event. > >Best, >Vince Galet >Organizer -- Chuck Cox SynchroSystems chuck`at`synchro.com, cccox at fas.harvard.edu, www.synchro.com Less Government Please ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 1/28/2004 - 1/29/2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:02:30 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Exam Format (David Houseman) 2. Statistics (kevin pratt) 3. Fwd: Announcement: War of the Worts IX (Chuck Cox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Houseman Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:09:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Exam Format Denny, My question was somewhat rhetorical. I've proctored numerous exams. The answer, IMHO, is that as an examinee I have to watch my time. Plan on about 10 min per beer (40min) with the remaining 140 min for the essay; 14 min per question. Err on the side of caution and plan on 12 min per question; some time to go to the head and to spend time on harder questions. But if the examinee really needs it, s/he can spend less time on a beer and more time on a question -- or vice versa. IF...the tasting is interspersed with the essay and not as a separate timed event. When I proctor exams, I do intersperse the tastings and leave time management to the examinees. Dave ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kevin pratt Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Statistics In the discussion about the test and the vagaries of high scores, I thouoght it would be interesting to note the numbers at each level. The demographics of judges are available on the BJCP website. When the numbers (US only) for Recognized and Certified levels are combined (because often the difference in the two levels is experience points, not test score), we find that about 20% of those move up to National. These percentiles below are "movement up" from the previous group. Rec/Cert 1296 National: 267 20% Master: 35 13% G. M. I 8 22% If these were analagous to academic degrees, Certified could be our AA, National our BA, and Master level, our MA and GMI our Ph.D. Surprisingly, they roughly correspond to enrollment figure percentages in higher education. While I'm not out to equate the BJCP with true higher learning, the degree of difficulty in getting a perfect score does seem more reasonable in this light. Kevin Pratt --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Cox Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:15:21 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Announcement: War of the Worts IX Forwarded for Vince Galet: >From: "Galet, Vince" >To: "'Chuck Cox'" >Subject: Announcement: War of the Worts IX > >The War of the Worts IX will be held on Saturday February 21st - 9:00 AM at >the Drafting room in Spring House, PA. >This an AHA-sanctioned competition presented by Keystone Hops homebrew >club. >All BJCP categories are welcome. Prizes and awards will be given for beers >placing first, second, and third in each category, and for Best of Show. >Points earned will also count towards the Delaware Valley Brewer of the >Year >award. >Full details including entry deadlines, forms, drop-off points, etc... are >available at www.keystonehops.org/wotw/ >The web site also has a section for judge & steward registration - Please >consider joining us for this fine event. > >Best, >Vince Galet >Organizer -- Chuck Cox SynchroSystems chuck`at`synchro.com, cccox at fas.harvard.edu, www.synchro.com Less Government Please ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************