Subject: Digest for the period 1/7/2004 - 1/8/2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:01:19 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Beer v. Cider and Mead (John DeCarlo) 2. Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology (Alan Hord) 3. Eis it, baby! (Steve Fletty) 4. Coconut Cup (Scott Graham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John DeCarlo Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: Beer v. Cider and Mead Hello, Because of a discussion going on over on the Cider Digest, I thought I would bring some parts of that over here. So here is a simple (ha!) starting point: Is there a place (or should there be) in the BJCP for a judge who is not and never will be interested in brewing or judging beer? Someone whose only qualifications may be that he/she makes and/or is qualified to judge many different styles of cider or mead? Obviously such a person would not take or pass the standard BJCP exam. Yes, I know such people can be marked down as Experienced (but not in BJCP). Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Hord Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:36:23 -0800 Subject: Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology =85Or “Numerology and Beer Judging - Part Deux” Hoppy New Cheers, Winter Warmers, and cardigans to all! First, thank you for the copious responses regarding “the study of numbering beer entries”. The treatment of this subject is very important to a greater body of work and may certainly affect many of us down the road. Please allow me to categorize the distillation of the feedback provided. 1. The thin majority agreed that substyle + integer was the best method with nearly equal division between sequential verses random numbering. 2. This was closely followed by a camp that favored straight numbering with sequential slightly edging out random numbering. There were some interesting variations upon a theme as well, but I admit the color-coding by the Dixie-Cup appears to be a novel approach and one worth investigating. There were also good comments on sorting with special care given to organizing bottles per specific round instead of all bottles grouped together (leading to potential confusion for styles requiring fewer bottles than say beer). The diversity of the feedback is warming and confirms my suspicions that competitions can pretty well run a gamut of options as unique as we are individuals. That being said, there IS a valid reason for my keen interest: For our Club, we use an online registration and administration application that assigns a unique Bottle ID receipt to the Contestant as follows: SubStyle + Encoded Long Date (Hex). The database records them sequentially as integers and that’s how we track them internally; we reassign them when they arrive. There can be gaps in the numbering if a contestant registers a duplicate or fails to deliver. The function of this study is to determine the potential for renumbering options if any are elected by a competition administrator. Thankfully I can foresee a reasonable trend as provided by your good feedback and thus visualize the equitable solution and options. The body of work that I have referenced from time to time concerns the aforementioned Online Registration application, and one that I have used for many years for our Club but only recently made available for public consumption. This body of work is ongoing as I continue to enhance the features based upon usability feedback whilst testing the patience of my very kind volunteers. That being said, I am always lurking for more feedback. The application is pretty complete in options but is primarily BJCP-centric and explicitly online. At this time there are two significant changes in development: Conforming to AHA requirements and the creation of a standalone Windows (Pro/Server only) Administration client. I have the kind support of both the AHA and BJCP as we seek how best to automate the overall Competition process leveraging the latest technologies. If you’re interested in learning more and participating in the development of the application, please connect to http://www.HordsOfFun.Com/hbc/ for a read and give it a whirl. Thank you for your time and I hope my efforts will be of good service to you soon! Slàinte Mhath! Alan Hord BJCP National near Seattle ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fletty Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:05:33 -0600 Subject: Eis it, baby! Get your freezers rrready to rrrumble! The Minnesota Home Home Brewers Association and the St. Paul Home Brewers Club invite you to take part in the third annual Upper Missiissippi Mash-Out. home brew competition. This year we're adding a special competition category: eis-anything. That's right. Eis-anything. Don't limit your imagination to eisbock. How about an eis-mild. An eis-IPA. What about an eis-pils? Maybe an eis-mead? Or, if you're really creative an eis-smoked-honey-guava-kiwi-lamibic-mead dry hoppped with fennel and aged on oak and chipotle? Mmmmmm, tasty. Things are frozen now in the Twin Cities, but they won't be come the weekend of May 20-22. We'd love to have you stop by and join in the judigng. And there's always the best of show at the Summit brewery with prizes and beer. Check out our web site for more details: http://www.mnbrewers.com/events/mashout/ ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Graham Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:35:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coconut Cup Greetings from the members of the Miami Area Society of Homebrewers (MASH) in Miami, FL. It is almost time for this year's (and 7th annual) Coconut Cup homebrew competition. We are accepting all BJCP categories, as well as our special COCONUT BREW category. Entries of TWO bottles are due by January 31st. Please use the on-line entry form available at the Coconut Cup website, http://hbd.org/mash/coconut.html . This year's Coconut Cup is being sponsored by Briess, Ecologic, Gordon Biersch, Left Hand/Tabernash, New Belgian, North Coast, Northwestern, Puterbaugh Farms/Hops Direct, Rogue, Sierra Nevada, and the Titanic Brewing Company; others are still pending. There will be more prizes and raffles than in past years, so please enter early and enter often. Judging will be held on February 7th, 2004 at the Titanic Brewing Company in Coral Gables, FL. Please contact me if you are interested and willing to judge. We would like to invite our out-of-town guests to join the members of MASH in partaking of the events of Fab Fest (http://www.fabfest.com), which will be held on Miami Beach the same weekend as the Coconut Cup. On Friday, February 6th, Fab Fest will be holding a beer pairing dinner hosted by Garrett Oliver of the Brooklyn Brewery. Saturday and Sunday, Fab Fest will hold a beer, wine, and food festival on Miami Beach. If you are planning to come down, please let me know which events you'd like to attend. Once we have a head count, we will attempt to arrange discounted tickets and transportation to these events. I hope to see you (or at least your beers/meads/ciders) in Miami! Scott Graham Coconut Cup Judge Coordinator MASH Librarian ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 1/7/2004 - 1/8/2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:01:19 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Beer v. Cider and Mead (John DeCarlo) 2. Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology (Alan Hord) 3. Eis it, baby! (Steve Fletty) 4. Coconut Cup (Scott Graham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John DeCarlo Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: Beer v. Cider and Mead Hello, Because of a discussion going on over on the Cider Digest, I thought I would bring some parts of that over here. So here is a simple (ha!) starting point: Is there a place (or should there be) in the BJCP for a judge who is not and never will be interested in brewing or judging beer? Someone whose only qualifications may be that he/she makes and/or is qualified to judge many different styles of cider or mead? Obviously such a person would not take or pass the standard BJCP exam. Yes, I know such people can be marked down as Experienced (but not in BJCP). Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Hord Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:36:23 -0800 Subject: Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology Enumerations, Ruminations and Numerology =85Or “Numerology and Beer Judging - Part Deux” Hoppy New Cheers, Winter Warmers, and cardigans to all! First, thank you for the copious responses regarding “the study of numbering beer entries”. The treatment of this subject is very important to a greater body of work and may certainly affect many of us down the road. Please allow me to categorize the distillation of the feedback provided. 1. The thin majority agreed that substyle + integer was the best method with nearly equal division between sequential verses random numbering. 2. This was closely followed by a camp that favored straight numbering with sequential slightly edging out random numbering. There were some interesting variations upon a theme as well, but I admit the color-coding by the Dixie-Cup appears to be a novel approach and one worth investigating. There were also good comments on sorting with special care given to organizing bottles per specific round instead of all bottles grouped together (leading to potential confusion for styles requiring fewer bottles than say beer). The diversity of the feedback is warming and confirms my suspicions that competitions can pretty well run a gamut of options as unique as we are individuals. That being said, there IS a valid reason for my keen interest: For our Club, we use an online registration and administration application that assigns a unique Bottle ID receipt to the Contestant as follows: SubStyle + Encoded Long Date (Hex). The database records them sequentially as integers and that’s how we track them internally; we reassign them when they arrive. There can be gaps in the numbering if a contestant registers a duplicate or fails to deliver. The function of this study is to determine the potential for renumbering options if any are elected by a competition administrator. Thankfully I can foresee a reasonable trend as provided by your good feedback and thus visualize the equitable solution and options. The body of work that I have referenced from time to time concerns the aforementioned Online Registration application, and one that I have used for many years for our Club but only recently made available for public consumption. This body of work is ongoing as I continue to enhance the features based upon usability feedback whilst testing the patience of my very kind volunteers. That being said, I am always lurking for more feedback. The application is pretty complete in options but is primarily BJCP-centric and explicitly online. At this time there are two significant changes in development: Conforming to AHA requirements and the creation of a standalone Windows (Pro/Server only) Administration client. I have the kind support of both the AHA and BJCP as we seek how best to automate the overall Competition process leveraging the latest technologies. If you’re interested in learning more and participating in the development of the application, please connect to http://www.HordsOfFun.Com/hbc/ for a read and give it a whirl. Thank you for your time and I hope my efforts will be of good service to you soon! Slàinte Mhath! Alan Hord BJCP National near Seattle ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Fletty Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:05:33 -0600 Subject: Eis it, baby! Get your freezers rrready to rrrumble! The Minnesota Home Home Brewers Association and the St. Paul Home Brewers Club invite you to take part in the third annual Upper Missiissippi Mash-Out. home brew competition. This year we're adding a special competition category: eis-anything. That's right. Eis-anything. Don't limit your imagination to eisbock. How about an eis-mild. An eis-IPA. What about an eis-pils? Maybe an eis-mead? Or, if you're really creative an eis-smoked-honey-guava-kiwi-lamibic-mead dry hoppped with fennel and aged on oak and chipotle? Mmmmmm, tasty. Things are frozen now in the Twin Cities, but they won't be come the weekend of May 20-22. We'd love to have you stop by and join in the judigng. And there's always the best of show at the Summit brewery with prizes and beer. Check out our web site for more details: http://www.mnbrewers.com/events/mashout/ ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Graham Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:35:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coconut Cup Greetings from the members of the Miami Area Society of Homebrewers (MASH) in Miami, FL. It is almost time for this year's (and 7th annual) Coconut Cup homebrew competition. We are accepting all BJCP categories, as well as our special COCONUT BREW category. Entries of TWO bottles are due by January 31st. Please use the on-line entry form available at the Coconut Cup website, http://hbd.org/mash/coconut.html . This year's Coconut Cup is being sponsored by Briess, Ecologic, Gordon Biersch, Left Hand/Tabernash, New Belgian, North Coast, Northwestern, Puterbaugh Farms/Hops Direct, Rogue, Sierra Nevada, and the Titanic Brewing Company; others are still pending. There will be more prizes and raffles than in past years, so please enter early and enter often. Judging will be held on February 7th, 2004 at the Titanic Brewing Company in Coral Gables, FL. Please contact me if you are interested and willing to judge. We would like to invite our out-of-town guests to join the members of MASH in partaking of the events of Fab Fest (http://www.fabfest.com), which will be held on Miami Beach the same weekend as the Coconut Cup. On Friday, February 6th, Fab Fest will be holding a beer pairing dinner hosted by Garrett Oliver of the Brooklyn Brewery. Saturday and Sunday, Fab Fest will hold a beer, wine, and food festival on Miami Beach. If you are planning to come down, please let me know which events you'd like to attend. Once we have a head count, we will attempt to arrange discounted tickets and transportation to these events. I hope to see you (or at least your beers/meads/ciders) in Miami! Scott Graham Coconut Cup Judge Coordinator MASH Librarian ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************