Subject: Digest for the period 7/31/2003 - 8/1/2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:04:46 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Beer and Sweat 2003 (David Harsh) 2. Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 (charlybill) 3. Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 (Lyle C Brown) 4. Roggenbier (Stephen Murphrey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Harsh Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:40:06 -0400 Subject: Beer and Sweat 2003 Greetings- I'd like to remind everyone about Beer and Sweat 2003, hosted by the Bloatarian Brewing League in Cincinnati, OH. Beer and Sweat is an all keg homebrew competition - entries must be submitted in kegs of any size - sanke, cornelius and mini-kegs and all accepted. It is held at the Ramada Inn in Erlanger, KY on August 23, 2003; judging starts around 1 p.m. and obviously we would expect entrants to hand carry their entries. Rooms are available and highly recommended since driving after being at an event with 100+ kegs is highly discouraged. Online entry forms, judge registration forms, hotel and other details may be found at http://hbd.org/bloat Entertainment this year by Roger Drawdy and Firestarters. (a.k.a. The Pinkerton Chieftans since former BBL president Robert Pinkerton is one of the firestarters) There will be no organized religious activity if the AHA conference has any of you worried... Dave Harsh dharsh`at`fuse.net Bloatarian Brewing League "without the light it is the brightest" ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charlybill Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:55:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 In reading the score sheets I agree they are very complete and well written. I do have a question about the scoring versus the description of the APA. It is given a 1 for being classic and flawless, 2 for being wonderful. The only detraction that I picked up from the score sheet was to increase the body some, the body was light. Although body affects flavor, there were no flaws reported in the flavor section yet it only received 16 of 20 points with an overall score of 40 of 50 points. Based on what was written about the beer I would have expected a higher score, I did not see enough documented flaws or shortcomings to justify the score. Also, in the Imperial Stout flavor section there is nothing negitive, only a glowing description of the flavor. Yet the beer is only given 14 of 20 points. When writing a score sheet I feel you must document shortcomings or flaws to justify the score. Am I off base here? Charlie Walker Lancaster, TX > Second, > The website now has examples of what are probably the best scoresheets > ever completed during a BJCP exam. We hope they prove useful to you if > you're preparing for the tasting portion of the exam. You can see them > at www.bjcp.org/examscores.html ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lyle C Brown Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:02:01 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > From: Gordon Strong Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:03:02 -0400 > Subject: Roggenbier? > I'm looking for some help in locating commercial examples of > Roggenbier. Since Roggenbier is essentially "Rye" beer, one could include the new Red Hook Suumer Rye, although I doubt it fits the traditional style. Lyle C. Brown ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Murphrey Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:43:52 -0400 Subject: Roggenbier I was lucky enough to spend 4 days on vacation in Regensberg last year. I found bottled Paulaner Roggenbier served in a beer bar in the old town. They served it in a tall, cylindrical glass. It had the strong banana/clove flavor of a great Bavarian wheat beer, but was much darker and had a distinct rye flavor. It was full bodied. I really enjoyed it. The label listed rye, barley, wheat, and hops (in that order - I don't know if order is significant in Germany as it would be here). I don't remember the alcohol content, but I guess it was about 5% ABV. I was able to purchase half-liter Roggenbier glasses for both Schierlinger and Thurn und Taxis at a museum gift shop. But I was unable to find any of their Roggenbier (I tried 2 different large beer stores that had large selection of both local and other German beers). I've made 2 brewing attempts, so far: -- 4.0 lb. rye, 3.5 lb. pale, 2.5 lb. wheat, 0.5 lb. caramel wheat, old Wyeast 3068, 1 oz. Hallertauer leaf (60 min.), 1 oz. Hallertauer leav (0 min.), 1.046 to 1.008. This was, in my opinion, over the top in rye flavor; it didn't have as much banana/clove as the Paulaner; and it was quite dry. My wife and I both loved it, and it disappeared quickly. -- 3.0 lb. rye, 3.5 lb. pale, 3.5 lb. wheat, 0.5 lb. caramel wheat, very old Wyeast 3056, 2 oz. old Tetnanger pellet (90 min.), 1.042 to 1.007. I had the first sample of this tonight. It still has a lot of rye flavor, but it is not over the top; it also doesn't have as much banana/clove as the Paulaner, and it, too, is quite dry. I don't expect it to last long. I think I will drop the rye a half pound and increase the wheat a half pound, next time. If you get to Regensberg, be sure to try the Bischofshof Pilsner, which is even better, in my opinion, than all of the Kulmbachers and even the Scherdel Edelhel (from Hof). Steve Murphrey > I'm looking for some help in locating commercial examples of Roggenbier. > Several years ago I was able to get the Schierlinger, but I can't seem to > find it any more (even looking for it under the new name Thurn und Taxis). > Can anyone find this? Any other examples? Anyone got tasting notes on it? > I've got the descriptions from Michael Jackson's Beer Companion, but I was > looking for other sources. > > We're planning on adding this to the style guidelines and I'd like to have > as accurate and complete data as I can find. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** Subject: Digest for the period 7/31/2003 - 8/1/2003 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:04:46 -0400 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Beer and Sweat 2003 (David Harsh) 2. Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 (charlybill) 3. Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 (Lyle C Brown) 4. Roggenbier (Stephen Murphrey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Harsh Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:40:06 -0400 Subject: Beer and Sweat 2003 Greetings- I'd like to remind everyone about Beer and Sweat 2003, hosted by the Bloatarian Brewing League in Cincinnati, OH. Beer and Sweat is an all keg homebrew competition - entries must be submitted in kegs of any size - sanke, cornelius and mini-kegs and all accepted. It is held at the Ramada Inn in Erlanger, KY on August 23, 2003; judging starts around 1 p.m. and obviously we would expect entrants to hand carry their entries. Rooms are available and highly recommended since driving after being at an event with 100+ kegs is highly discouraged. Online entry forms, judge registration forms, hotel and other details may be found at http://hbd.org/bloat Entertainment this year by Roger Drawdy and Firestarters. (a.k.a. The Pinkerton Chieftans since former BBL president Robert Pinkerton is one of the firestarters) There will be no organized religious activity if the AHA conference has any of you worried... Dave Harsh dharsh`at`fuse.net Bloatarian Brewing League "without the light it is the brightest" ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charlybill Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:55:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 In reading the score sheets I agree they are very complete and well written. I do have a question about the scoring versus the description of the APA. It is given a 1 for being classic and flawless, 2 for being wonderful. The only detraction that I picked up from the score sheet was to increase the body some, the body was light. Although body affects flavor, there were no flaws reported in the flavor section yet it only received 16 of 20 points with an overall score of 40 of 50 points. Based on what was written about the beer I would have expected a higher score, I did not see enough documented flaws or shortcomings to justify the score. Also, in the Imperial Stout flavor section there is nothing negitive, only a glowing description of the flavor. Yet the beer is only given 14 of 20 points. When writing a score sheet I feel you must document shortcomings or flaws to justify the score. Am I off base here? Charlie Walker Lancaster, TX > Second, > The website now has examples of what are probably the best scoresheets > ever completed during a BJCP exam. We hope they prove useful to you if > you're preparing for the tasting portion of the exam. You can see them > at www.bjcp.org/examscores.html ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lyle C Brown Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 7/30/2003 - 7/31/2003 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:02:01 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > From: Gordon Strong Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:03:02 -0400 > Subject: Roggenbier? > I'm looking for some help in locating commercial examples of > Roggenbier. Since Roggenbier is essentially "Rye" beer, one could include the new Red Hook Suumer Rye, although I doubt it fits the traditional style. Lyle C. Brown ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Murphrey Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:43:52 -0400 Subject: Roggenbier I was lucky enough to spend 4 days on vacation in Regensberg last year. I found bottled Paulaner Roggenbier served in a beer bar in the old town. They served it in a tall, cylindrical glass. It had the strong banana/clove flavor of a great Bavarian wheat beer, but was much darker and had a distinct rye flavor. It was full bodied. I really enjoyed it. The label listed rye, barley, wheat, and hops (in that order - I don't know if order is significant in Germany as it would be here). I don't remember the alcohol content, but I guess it was about 5% ABV. I was able to purchase half-liter Roggenbier glasses for both Schierlinger and Thurn und Taxis at a museum gift shop. But I was unable to find any of their Roggenbier (I tried 2 different large beer stores that had large selection of both local and other German beers). I've made 2 brewing attempts, so far: -- 4.0 lb. rye, 3.5 lb. pale, 2.5 lb. wheat, 0.5 lb. caramel wheat, old Wyeast 3068, 1 oz. Hallertauer leaf (60 min.), 1 oz. Hallertauer leav (0 min.), 1.046 to 1.008. This was, in my opinion, over the top in rye flavor; it didn't have as much banana/clove as the Paulaner; and it was quite dry. My wife and I both loved it, and it disappeared quickly. -- 3.0 lb. rye, 3.5 lb. pale, 3.5 lb. wheat, 0.5 lb. caramel wheat, very old Wyeast 3056, 2 oz. old Tetnanger pellet (90 min.), 1.042 to 1.007. I had the first sample of this tonight. It still has a lot of rye flavor, but it is not over the top; it also doesn't have as much banana/clove as the Paulaner, and it, too, is quite dry. I don't expect it to last long. I think I will drop the rye a half pound and increase the wheat a half pound, next time. If you get to Regensberg, be sure to try the Bischofshof Pilsner, which is even better, in my opinion, than all of the Kulmbachers and even the Scherdel Edelhel (from Hof). Steve Murphrey > I'm looking for some help in locating commercial examples of Roggenbier. > Several years ago I was able to get the Schierlinger, but I can't seem to > find it any more (even looking for it under the new name Thurn und Taxis). > Can anyone find this? Any other examples? Anyone got tasting notes on it? > I've got the descriptions from Michael Jackson's Beer Companion, but I was > looking for other sources. > > We're planning on adding this to the style guidelines and I'd like to have > as accurate and complete data as I can find. ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * **********************************************************************