Subject: Digest for the period 2/13/2003 - 2/14/2003 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:01:42 -0500 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Results fom MCAB V (Anderson Robert W (Andy) NSSC) 2. Competition Entry Numbers and Flights (Cristina Collier) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anderson Robert W (Andy) NSSC Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:23:19 -0500 Subject: Results fom MCAB V Greetings, The Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing (MCAB) V was held last weekend in the Washington, DC area. This MCAB was hosted by the homebrew club BURP (Brewers United for Real Potables.) The results can be found at http://www.burp.org/mcab5/winner03.asp If you were a winner, your score sheet and prize should arrive by the middle of next week. If you were an entrant, but did not win, your score sheets should arrive by the end of this week. Congratulations to John Doherty from Boston, Massachusetts who won BOS with his Eisbock. But, also, congratulations to all the entrants, as you were a winner simply to have been eligible to compete. The entire weekend seemed to run smoothly (in my biased opinion), and the 6" of snow that blanketed DC on Friday morning did not seem to cause too many problems. If you were a participant, thanks for being there. If you could not attend, well ... you missed a good show. Cheers, Andy Anderson MCAB V Contest Organizer ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cristina Collier Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:27:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Competition Entry Numbers and Flights Sorry if this message was posted several times. I was trying to use my yahoo account to deal with the 80 character limit and I obviously had to sign this email up as a valid member. Moving right along... I have an interesting question for the collective. I'd love to get some discussion going on this topic! In a typical homebrew contest, bottles are tagged with a unique number. During the tagging process, I think it's safe to assume multiple entries for a single brewer receive consecutive numbers, as the entries are probably handled together. I'll also assume that most competitions are using a computer to organize the contest. Now when the computer prints out the flight sheets for the competition, there is going to be some sort applied to the print. It may be a sort specified by the program (entry#, category, cub cat, or some combination) or it may simply be a FIFO sort. Regardless, I suspect that the brewers who have their beers tagged first will probably sort toward the beginning of the flight and those tagged last (walk-ins) will sort toward the end of the flights. Now does anyone out there think that this creates an advantage or disadvantage to brewers because their beers may sort in the same place in each of the flights they have entries in? I guess that depends on how strongly you feel about whether or not a beer's place in a flight can affect its score. I bet this is a separate debate that probably has been discussed in the forum in the past. I'm certainly interested in that debate, but I am more interested in what competitions out there are making special efforts to address this issue. Has anyone ever even thought about this before? What are you doing in the registration process to avoid this issue? How are flight sheets being printed to avoid this? The questions are really rhetorical and the answers seem obvious to me with a little work. The real question is what competitions are going through an effort or not? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks, Chris Collier Atlanta, GA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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This MCAB was hosted by the homebrew club BURP (Brewers United for Real Potables.) The results can be found at http://www.burp.org/mcab5/winner03.asp If you were a winner, your score sheet and prize should arrive by the middle of next week. If you were an entrant, but did not win, your score sheets should arrive by the end of this week. Congratulations to John Doherty from Boston, Massachusetts who won BOS with his Eisbock. But, also, congratulations to all the entrants, as you were a winner simply to have been eligible to compete. The entire weekend seemed to run smoothly (in my biased opinion), and the 6" of snow that blanketed DC on Friday morning did not seem to cause too many problems. If you were a participant, thanks for being there. If you could not attend, well ... you missed a good show. Cheers, Andy Anderson MCAB V Contest Organizer ********************************************************************** * JudgeNet - the beer judge digest * * Send plain text only, no HTML, MIME, encoded text or attachments * * Send subscription requests & changes to judge-request`at`synchro.com * ********************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cristina Collier Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:27:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Competition Entry Numbers and Flights Sorry if this message was posted several times. I was trying to use my yahoo account to deal with the 80 character limit and I obviously had to sign this email up as a valid member. Moving right along... I have an interesting question for the collective. I'd love to get some discussion going on this topic! In a typical homebrew contest, bottles are tagged with a unique number. During the tagging process, I think it's safe to assume multiple entries for a single brewer receive consecutive numbers, as the entries are probably handled together. I'll also assume that most competitions are using a computer to organize the contest. Now when the computer prints out the flight sheets for the competition, there is going to be some sort applied to the print. It may be a sort specified by the program (entry#, category, cub cat, or some combination) or it may simply be a FIFO sort. Regardless, I suspect that the brewers who have their beers tagged first will probably sort toward the beginning of the flight and those tagged last (walk-ins) will sort toward the end of the flights. Now does anyone out there think that this creates an advantage or disadvantage to brewers because their beers may sort in the same place in each of the flights they have entries in? I guess that depends on how strongly you feel about whether or not a beer's place in a flight can affect its score. I bet this is a separate debate that probably has been discussed in the forum in the past. I'm certainly interested in that debate, but I am more interested in what competitions out there are making special efforts to address this issue. Has anyone ever even thought about this before? What are you doing in the registration process to avoid this issue? How are flight sheets being printed to avoid this? The questions are really rhetorical and the answers seem obvious to me with a little work. The real question is what competitions are going through an effort or not? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks, Chris Collier Atlanta, GA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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