Subject: Digest for the period 4/11/02 - 4/12/02 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:04:20 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC6593459194" --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Evaluation notes (Patrick Twohy) SRM Color Descriptors/Vocabulary (Mark Tumarkin) --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC6593459194" --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC6532457416 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:57:28 -0400 Received: from Twohy ([63.206.118.155]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GUB00BJA8E58Y`at`mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:55:23 -0700 From: Patrick Twohy Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Evaluation notes To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <003101c1dfe7$57966cc0$e59ffea9`at`netscape.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Priority: 3 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message When I judge beers, I attempt to give as full a description of what I'm tasting as I can. And I try to offer coherent=20 ideas about what I think the brewer might do to improve his or her brew.=20 I do this because that's the kind of information I want when I enter my own beers into competition. My chief goal in entering contests is to learn what I can from=20 other knowledgeable brewers. But if my recent experience is any guide, my approach is not the norm. Evaluation forms I just got back from one competition included some that had little more than=20 one word in each section. One evaluation, for example, included exactly nine words total on the form for what=20 the judge felt was a middling sample of beer. The=20 complete comment under Overall Impression=20 was, "Needs work."=20 Folks, that's not sufficient. I agree with the evaluation,=20 as far as it went. But it didn't tell me anything I didn't=20 already know. What I wanted was an idea about=20 what work the judge would suggest.=20 Many of the evaluations I got back were similarly sparse. I have to ask myself if it's worth the effort and=20 expense, minimal as it is, to enter competitions if that's=20 all I get back.=20 Particularly for the sake of newer brewers who are looking for some guidance, I'd like to request that=20 judges try to be a little more complete when they=20 evaluate beers.=20 --=20 Patrick Twohy=20 --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC6543457731 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:05:20 -0400 Received: from user-37kasls.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.114.188] helo=markt) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16v8Pc-00011u-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: <010901c1e03c$0747f360$d57345cf`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: SRM Color Descriptors/Vocabulary Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Just had a brain-fart this evening while looking at the style guides. Beer color description in the style guides is sketchy at best. At any rate, I was thinking that it might be interesting to get a bunch of commonly available commercial beers in a color range from lightest to darkest, and then attach color descriptions to them that we could agree on. Thus arriving at empirical and accepted definitions to color descriptors such as straw, light gold, dark copper, etc. This is a part of the judging vocabulary that could really benefit from some standardization. If there were common commercial examples that we could say straw is like......., light gold is like......, etc I think it would be very beneficial. Mark Tumarkin --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194-- --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194-- Subject: Digest for the period 4/11/02 - 4/12/02 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:04:20 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC6593459194" --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Evaluation notes (Patrick Twohy) SRM Color Descriptors/Vocabulary (Mark Tumarkin) --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC6593459194" --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC6532457416 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:57:28 -0400 Received: from Twohy ([63.206.118.155]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GUB00BJA8E58Y`at`mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:55:23 -0700 From: Patrick Twohy Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Evaluation notes To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <003101c1dfe7$57966cc0$e59ffea9`at`netscape.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Priority: 3 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message When I judge beers, I attempt to give as full a description of what I'm tasting as I can. And I try to offer coherent=20 ideas about what I think the brewer might do to improve his or her brew.=20 I do this because that's the kind of information I want when I enter my own beers into competition. My chief goal in entering contests is to learn what I can from=20 other knowledgeable brewers. But if my recent experience is any guide, my approach is not the norm. Evaluation forms I just got back from one competition included some that had little more than=20 one word in each section. One evaluation, for example, included exactly nine words total on the form for what=20 the judge felt was a middling sample of beer. The=20 complete comment under Overall Impression=20 was, "Needs work."=20 Folks, that's not sufficient. I agree with the evaluation,=20 as far as it went. But it didn't tell me anything I didn't=20 already know. What I wanted was an idea about=20 what work the judge would suggest.=20 Many of the evaluations I got back were similarly sparse. I have to ask myself if it's worth the effort and=20 expense, minimal as it is, to enter competitions if that's=20 all I get back.=20 Particularly for the sake of newer brewers who are looking for some guidance, I'd like to request that=20 judges try to be a little more complete when they=20 evaluate beers.=20 --=20 Patrick Twohy=20 --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC6543457731 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:05:20 -0400 Received: from user-37kasls.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.114.188] helo=markt) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16v8Pc-00011u-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: <010901c1e03c$0747f360$d57345cf`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: SRM Color Descriptors/Vocabulary Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Just had a brain-fart this evening while looking at the style guides. Beer color description in the style guides is sketchy at best. At any rate, I was thinking that it might be interesting to get a bunch of commonly available commercial beers in a color range from lightest to darkest, and then attach color descriptions to them that we could agree on. Thus arriving at empirical and accepted definitions to color descriptors such as straw, light gold, dark copper, etc. This is a part of the judging vocabulary that could really benefit from some standardization. If there were common commercial examples that we could say straw is like......., light gold is like......, etc I think it would be very beneficial. Mark Tumarkin --Message_Part_SYNC6593459194-- --Next_Part_SYNC6593459194--