Subject: Digest for the period 3/15/02 - 3/16/02 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:03:41 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19" --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2002 Maltose Falcons Mayfaire Competition (Drew Beechum) Re: Re: Attack (David Houseman) RE: "attack" (Valerie) --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19" --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.disney.com ([204.128.192.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC592144731C for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:03:16 -0500 Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2F612224983 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ford.wdi.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:45 -0800 Received: from nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (nufat [206.16.11.70]) by ford.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.1/D1) with ESMTP id VAA05475 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (mp [255.255.255.255]) by nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA74343 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from drew`at`localhost) by mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA06006; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15505.36473.144788.674778`at`mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Beechum Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: 2002 Maltose Falcons Mayfaire Competition X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Fellow Brewers, The Maltose Falcons' Mayfaire returns for the (approximately) 18th year and once again we are one of the qualifying competitions for the Sierra Nevada Homebrewer of the year. This year's guidelines have been updated and are available on our website. Entries may be registered on line or you may use standard bottle labels. All standard competition rules apply. All entries are welcome and all judges are free to join us. -- Drew Beechum ----------------------- 2002 Mayfaire Homebrew Competition (AHA and BJCP Sanctioned) Qualifier for Sierra Nevada Homebrewer Of The Year Pre-register and information at http://www.maltosefalcons.com/ Entry Deadline: Entries (3 Bottles) April 1st - April 11th, 2002 Entry Fee: $6.00 per entry, check or money order only, payable to the Maltose Falcons. No Cash will be accepted! Drop or send prepaid entries (3 Bottles) to: 2002 Mayfaire Competition c/o The Home Wine, Beer and Cheese Making Shop 22836 Ventura Blvd. #2 Woodland Hills, CA 91364 OR : 2002 Mayfaire Competition c/o Culver City Home Brewing Supply 4358 1/2 Sepulveda Blvd Culver City, CA 90230 Styles: Please use the 2002 Falcons' Style Guidelines available on our site. Judging: Saturday, April 27, 2002, St Martins Church, Reseda, CA Awards Ceremony: At the Falcons' Mayfaire Festival, Saturday, May 18, Best of Show: "The Bird," a statuette of the Maltose Falcon "Hashell Dammit" First, Second, and Third Place ribbons may be awarded in each beer style Class, Subject to the decisions of the judges. All judges decisions are final. For further information, or entry forms, contact Drew Beechum, Competition Organizer Email: drewbage1847`at`yahoo.com Want to Judge? Contact Bruce Brode at bruceb`at`cpandb.com Want to Steward? (It's easier than judging!) Contact Pam Aitchison (pam`at`aitchison.org) --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC592744760A for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:59:00 -0500 Received: from user-2inilrq.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.87.122] helo=winxp) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lrIR-0000tA-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:58:59 -0800 Message-ID: <00ab01c1cc21$270c0210$0100a8c0`at`winxp> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Re: Re: Attack Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:58:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Sorry Bill, I seem to have got the sequence of posts confused. I realize now it was not you but rather another poster, who I hope will reconsider dropping off the list as well. Dave Houseman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillPierce`at`aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:09:00 EST Subject: Re: Attack I hope David Houseman realizes that the "untasteful posting" regarding Fred Scheer's grammar and proofreading did not come from me. Indeed my post was an attempt to point out that Fred's considerable knowledge about brewing was the result of being educated in another language and culture. I have always had the highest regard for Fred and have valued his posts to the HBD and other publications greatly. I wish that he would reconsider his withdrawal from this forum, but I understand his disappointment at the reaction he received here. Bill Pierce Cellar Door Homebrewery Highwood, Illinois --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rutger.owt.com ([204.118.6.16]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5931447774 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:42:55 -0500 Received: from default (pm6-s39.owt.com [208.8.78.103]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA26949 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:42:51 -0800 From: "Valerie" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: "attack" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I've enjoyed and learned from the postings here, but have never posted an item or response yet. Well, it's time for me to chime in with my .02. IMHO since I've been a member of this forum, there have been some postings that "appear" to be attacks on individuals rather than information or a statement of opinion on a beer related topic. It has also "appeared" that sometimes offense is taken at postings (that may or may not have been an "attack" on the intent of the writer). How about we work it from both sides? Don't attack, and don't take someone's posting/response as an attack. If we can't do it in a forum like this without flaming or quitting, how can we expect to do it in the real world? Doesn't the concept of peace, live and let live, etc. apply here in a forum where all opinions should be exchanged without problems? Fred, it appears your expertise is well recognized and appreciated by those who know you and probably many who don't. As has been said, the "collective" still needs you. Tyler, if you get good information from this forum and have something to offer, please stay involved. Now, everyone PAY ATTENTION....what's the motto? Repeat as many times as necessary....Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew! (smiling) (and since you can't read my mind, I'm honestly sincerely truly really really not attacking, accusing or criticizing anyone, cross my heart and hope to die) Valerie 8 years homebrewing fun --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19-- --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19-- Subject: Digest for the period 3/15/02 - 3/16/02 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:03:41 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19" --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2002 Maltose Falcons Mayfaire Competition (Drew Beechum) Re: Re: Attack (David Houseman) RE: "attack" (Valerie) --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19" --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.disney.com ([204.128.192.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC592144731C for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:03:16 -0500 Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2F612224983 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ford.wdi.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:45 -0800 Received: from nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (nufat [206.16.11.70]) by ford.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.1/D1) with ESMTP id VAA05475 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (mp [255.255.255.255]) by nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA74343 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from drew`at`localhost) by mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA06006; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15505.36473.144788.674778`at`mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:02:33 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Beechum Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: 2002 Maltose Falcons Mayfaire Competition X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Fellow Brewers, The Maltose Falcons' Mayfaire returns for the (approximately) 18th year and once again we are one of the qualifying competitions for the Sierra Nevada Homebrewer of the year. This year's guidelines have been updated and are available on our website. Entries may be registered on line or you may use standard bottle labels. All standard competition rules apply. All entries are welcome and all judges are free to join us. -- Drew Beechum ----------------------- 2002 Mayfaire Homebrew Competition (AHA and BJCP Sanctioned) Qualifier for Sierra Nevada Homebrewer Of The Year Pre-register and information at http://www.maltosefalcons.com/ Entry Deadline: Entries (3 Bottles) April 1st - April 11th, 2002 Entry Fee: $6.00 per entry, check or money order only, payable to the Maltose Falcons. No Cash will be accepted! Drop or send prepaid entries (3 Bottles) to: 2002 Mayfaire Competition c/o The Home Wine, Beer and Cheese Making Shop 22836 Ventura Blvd. #2 Woodland Hills, CA 91364 OR : 2002 Mayfaire Competition c/o Culver City Home Brewing Supply 4358 1/2 Sepulveda Blvd Culver City, CA 90230 Styles: Please use the 2002 Falcons' Style Guidelines available on our site. Judging: Saturday, April 27, 2002, St Martins Church, Reseda, CA Awards Ceremony: At the Falcons' Mayfaire Festival, Saturday, May 18, Best of Show: "The Bird," a statuette of the Maltose Falcon "Hashell Dammit" First, Second, and Third Place ribbons may be awarded in each beer style Class, Subject to the decisions of the judges. All judges decisions are final. For further information, or entry forms, contact Drew Beechum, Competition Organizer Email: drewbage1847`at`yahoo.com Want to Judge? Contact Bruce Brode at bruceb`at`cpandb.com Want to Steward? (It's easier than judging!) Contact Pam Aitchison (pam`at`aitchison.org) --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC592744760A for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:59:00 -0500 Received: from user-2inilrq.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.87.122] helo=winxp) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lrIR-0000tA-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:58:59 -0800 Message-ID: <00ab01c1cc21$270c0210$0100a8c0`at`winxp> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Re: Re: Attack Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:58:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Sorry Bill, I seem to have got the sequence of posts confused. I realize now it was not you but rather another poster, who I hope will reconsider dropping off the list as well. Dave Houseman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillPierce`at`aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:09:00 EST Subject: Re: Attack I hope David Houseman realizes that the "untasteful posting" regarding Fred Scheer's grammar and proofreading did not come from me. Indeed my post was an attempt to point out that Fred's considerable knowledge about brewing was the result of being educated in another language and culture. I have always had the highest regard for Fred and have valued his posts to the HBD and other publications greatly. I wish that he would reconsider his withdrawal from this forum, but I understand his disappointment at the reaction he received here. Bill Pierce Cellar Door Homebrewery Highwood, Illinois --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from rutger.owt.com ([204.118.6.16]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5931447774 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:42:55 -0500 Received: from default (pm6-s39.owt.com [208.8.78.103]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA26949 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:42:51 -0800 From: "Valerie" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: "attack" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I've enjoyed and learned from the postings here, but have never posted an item or response yet. Well, it's time for me to chime in with my .02. IMHO since I've been a member of this forum, there have been some postings that "appear" to be attacks on individuals rather than information or a statement of opinion on a beer related topic. It has also "appeared" that sometimes offense is taken at postings (that may or may not have been an "attack" on the intent of the writer). How about we work it from both sides? Don't attack, and don't take someone's posting/response as an attack. If we can't do it in a forum like this without flaming or quitting, how can we expect to do it in the real world? Doesn't the concept of peace, live and let live, etc. apply here in a forum where all opinions should be exchanged without problems? Fred, it appears your expertise is well recognized and appreciated by those who know you and probably many who don't. As has been said, the "collective" still needs you. Tyler, if you get good information from this forum and have something to offer, please stay involved. Now, everyone PAY ATTENTION....what's the motto? Repeat as many times as necessary....Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew! (smiling) (and since you can't read my mind, I'm honestly sincerely truly really really not attacking, accusing or criticizing anyone, cross my heart and hope to die) Valerie 8 years homebrewing fun --Message_Part_SYNC5945447B19-- --Next_Part_SYNC5945447B19--