Subject: Digest for the period 3/2/02 - 3/3/02 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:00:15 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3" --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10th Annual Spirit of Free Beer (phil sides jr) Re: Beer styles (Houseman, David L) Re: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 (Bill Wible) (Not) awarding places (David Perez) --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3" --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from c011.snv.cp.net ([209.228.34.217]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561043BA30 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:37:39 -0500 Received: (cpmta 2583 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 23:37:32 -0800 Received: from 68.50.144.79 (HELO beavis) by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.34.217) with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 23:37:32 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Mar 2002 07:37:32 GMT Message-ID: <014b01c1c1bc$162943a0$347ba8c0`at`nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "phil sides jr" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: 10th Annual Spirit of Free Beer Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:30:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The tenth annual Spirit of Free Beer (SoFB) homebrew competition will be held at Old Dominion Brewery which is just outside Washington DC on May 18 and 19, 2002. Entries will be accepted from April 27 thru May 11th and will include all BJCP categories. Once again, SoFB is an official qualifying MCAB event. A minimum of two BJCP judges will evaluate each entry. Traditionally the total retail value of the three prizes for each of the 16 to 20 competition categories has been at least $75.00, so there is a potential for a lot of loot. Anticipated grand prizes this year include brewing winning entries at local brewpubs, brewer-of-the-day at breweries, and more loot. Just to tempt any potential judges or Stewards, a catered lunch with barbeque cooked on site will be provided. This is an event not to be missed. For more information visit the BURP website at http://www.burp.org. Phil Sides, Jr. Silver Spring, MD --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from bbmail1-out.unisys.com ([192.63.108.40]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561743BBA8 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:13:48 -0500 Received: from us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com (us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com [192.63.78.151]) by bbmail1-out.unisys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02672 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:13:21 GMT Received: by us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:13:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AC56C48182B4349AB1906257952AF98390135`at`USTR-EXCH2.na.uis.unisys.com> From: "Houseman, David L" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: Beer styles Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I posted this yesterday and then wondered why it didn't show up on JudgeNet. Well dumb me, in my posting frenzy, I sent it to HBD. So here is a an encore performance on a different stage: Guido Deboeck comments and asks: "The BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program, Guide to Beer styles for Home Brew Beer Competitions) defines some 26 beer style categories (e,g, american lager, european pale lager etc) and within each 3 - 4 beer styles. Does anyone know what this is based on? Some BJCP categories are tightly defined (e.g the stout contains dry-, sweet-, oatmeal- and foreign extra stout) however not all stouts are in this category (e.g. russian imperial stout is under barley wines) or are very broad (e.g. fruit beers, which can be based on almost any type of beer with fruit added to it...) Does anyone know about a more rigorous classification of beer styles?" Well, the BJCP style guide is based on years of knowledge by BJCP judges who are also brewers. The original beer style definitions were generated other authors and later codified by the AHA/BJCP into a style guide used for homebrew competitions. The AOB maintains a somewhat similar and parallel set of style guides used for their professional brewers in competitions, such as the GABF and WBC, intended for the commercial brewers. The classic styles as produced by brewers in their regions speak for themselves. Some are just ad hoc definitions as the beers have developed. Some have been written into laws as appellation to regions (Koelsch for example). Yes, some of the BJCP style definitions are tightly defined. Some are more loosely defined. Some are more generic, some (like California Common) are more specific. The categorization of the styles reflected the opinion of a BJCP committee comprised of knowledgeable judges, experienced in homebrew competitions. Individual competitions are free to shuffle the category deck to suit the competition, combining categories based on the number of entries received in each. Individual competitions may create and add their own local styles (Spooky Beer for example). Or they may limit a competition to one or more specific styles (individual club only competitions for example). I suggest that Guido spend some time talking with some experienced BJCP judges and competition organizers to learn more about this subject or check out the BJCP web site at www.bjcp.org. David Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561843BBEE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:49:58 -0500 Received: from [64.80.86.153] (ppp-086-153.verio.axs2000.net [64.80.86.153]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g22Fo3B12592 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:50:03 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:49:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" > Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" > Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:00:25 -0500 > To: "Digest Recipients" > Subject: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 > > If the fine folks on this list would take a few more minutes with their > posts, I suspect it would be appreciated by all who receive their > missives in their email box every day. Point taken, Tyler. I for one, will. Bill -------------------------- Brew By You 3504 Cottman Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19149 215-335-BREW (PA) 888-542-BREW (Outside PA) 215-335-0712 (Fax) www.brewbyyou.net --------------------------- --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from grucom2.gru.net ([209.251.129.7]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561943BC05 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:16:39 -0500 Received: from [209.251.151.122] by grucom2.gator.net (NTMail 7.00.0022/NU4112.00.99d0dec5) with ESMTP id zrjswaaa for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C80EE07.9070405`at`gator.net> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:21:43 -0500 From: David Perez Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: (Not) awarding places References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Spencer discusses the problems of moving a low scoring winner up to Best of Show and makes some good points. Check out this scenario as an alternative that I like a little better. One of my beers took First Place with scores in the low to mid 30's but the judges chose not to advance it to the BOS round. I assume they wanted to award a ribbon for the category but realized that it wasn't BOS material and wanted to spare the BOS judges from having to drink a beer that couldn't compete at the next level. This seemed like a fair and appropriate compromise. If all of the categories send their winners up that would mean the BOS judges have to drink 26 beers. If they can be spared the obvious underachievers, then the problem of pallet fatigue may be slightly reduced, allowing the judges to focus on the truly great beers. Often this will only be one or two beers, but even a little bit could help. Tyler, could you please be more clear? I have no idea what you were trying to say. ;^} Actually, you reminded me to proof this post. So fif thier ar errrors, Im reelly a bozo. Dave Perez Gainesville, FL Hogtown Brewers --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3-- --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3-- Subject: Digest for the period 3/2/02 - 3/3/02 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:00:15 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3" --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10th Annual Spirit of Free Beer (phil sides jr) Re: Beer styles (Houseman, David L) Re: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 (Bill Wible) (Not) awarding places (David Perez) --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3" --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from c011.snv.cp.net ([209.228.34.217]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561043BA30 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:37:39 -0500 Received: (cpmta 2583 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 23:37:32 -0800 Received: from 68.50.144.79 (HELO beavis) by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.34.217) with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 23:37:32 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Mar 2002 07:37:32 GMT Message-ID: <014b01c1c1bc$162943a0$347ba8c0`at`nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "phil sides jr" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: 10th Annual Spirit of Free Beer Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:30:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The tenth annual Spirit of Free Beer (SoFB) homebrew competition will be held at Old Dominion Brewery which is just outside Washington DC on May 18 and 19, 2002. Entries will be accepted from April 27 thru May 11th and will include all BJCP categories. Once again, SoFB is an official qualifying MCAB event. A minimum of two BJCP judges will evaluate each entry. Traditionally the total retail value of the three prizes for each of the 16 to 20 competition categories has been at least $75.00, so there is a potential for a lot of loot. Anticipated grand prizes this year include brewing winning entries at local brewpubs, brewer-of-the-day at breweries, and more loot. Just to tempt any potential judges or Stewards, a catered lunch with barbeque cooked on site will be provided. This is an event not to be missed. For more information visit the BURP website at http://www.burp.org. Phil Sides, Jr. Silver Spring, MD --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from bbmail1-out.unisys.com ([192.63.108.40]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561743BBA8 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:13:48 -0500 Received: from us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com (us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com [192.63.78.151]) by bbmail1-out.unisys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02672 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:13:21 GMT Received: by us-bb-gtwy-1.bb.unisys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:13:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AC56C48182B4349AB1906257952AF98390135`at`USTR-EXCH2.na.uis.unisys.com> From: "Houseman, David L" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: Beer styles Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I posted this yesterday and then wondered why it didn't show up on JudgeNet. Well dumb me, in my posting frenzy, I sent it to HBD. So here is a an encore performance on a different stage: Guido Deboeck comments and asks: "The BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program, Guide to Beer styles for Home Brew Beer Competitions) defines some 26 beer style categories (e,g, american lager, european pale lager etc) and within each 3 - 4 beer styles. Does anyone know what this is based on? Some BJCP categories are tightly defined (e.g the stout contains dry-, sweet-, oatmeal- and foreign extra stout) however not all stouts are in this category (e.g. russian imperial stout is under barley wines) or are very broad (e.g. fruit beers, which can be based on almost any type of beer with fruit added to it...) Does anyone know about a more rigorous classification of beer styles?" Well, the BJCP style guide is based on years of knowledge by BJCP judges who are also brewers. The original beer style definitions were generated other authors and later codified by the AHA/BJCP into a style guide used for homebrew competitions. The AOB maintains a somewhat similar and parallel set of style guides used for their professional brewers in competitions, such as the GABF and WBC, intended for the commercial brewers. The classic styles as produced by brewers in their regions speak for themselves. Some are just ad hoc definitions as the beers have developed. Some have been written into laws as appellation to regions (Koelsch for example). Yes, some of the BJCP style definitions are tightly defined. Some are more loosely defined. Some are more generic, some (like California Common) are more specific. The categorization of the styles reflected the opinion of a BJCP committee comprised of knowledgeable judges, experienced in homebrew competitions. Individual competitions are free to shuffle the category deck to suit the competition, combining categories based on the number of entries received in each. Individual competitions may create and add their own local styles (Spooky Beer for example). Or they may limit a competition to one or more specific styles (individual club only competitions for example). I suggest that Guido spend some time talking with some experienced BJCP judges and competition organizers to learn more about this subject or check out the BJCP web site at www.bjcp.org. David Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561843BBEE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:49:58 -0500 Received: from [64.80.86.153] (ppp-086-153.verio.axs2000.net [64.80.86.153]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g22Fo3B12592 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:50:03 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:49:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" > Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" > Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:00:25 -0500 > To: "Digest Recipients" > Subject: Digest for the period 3/1/02 - 3/2/02 > > If the fine folks on this list would take a few more minutes with their > posts, I suspect it would be appreciated by all who receive their > missives in their email box every day. Point taken, Tyler. I for one, will. Bill -------------------------- Brew By You 3504 Cottman Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19149 215-335-BREW (PA) 888-542-BREW (Outside PA) 215-335-0712 (Fax) www.brewbyyou.net --------------------------- --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from grucom2.gru.net ([209.251.129.7]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC561943BC05 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:16:39 -0500 Received: from [209.251.151.122] by grucom2.gator.net (NTMail 7.00.0022/NU4112.00.99d0dec5) with ESMTP id zrjswaaa for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C80EE07.9070405`at`gator.net> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:21:43 -0500 From: David Perez Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: (Not) awarding places References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Spencer discusses the problems of moving a low scoring winner up to Best of Show and makes some good points. Check out this scenario as an alternative that I like a little better. One of my beers took First Place with scores in the low to mid 30's but the judges chose not to advance it to the BOS round. I assume they wanted to award a ribbon for the category but realized that it wasn't BOS material and wanted to spare the BOS judges from having to drink a beer that couldn't compete at the next level. This seemed like a fair and appropriate compromise. If all of the categories send their winners up that would mean the BOS judges have to drink 26 beers. If they can be spared the obvious underachievers, then the problem of pallet fatigue may be slightly reduced, allowing the judges to focus on the truly great beers. Often this will only be one or two beers, but even a little bit could help. Tyler, could you please be more clear? I have no idea what you were trying to say. ;^} Actually, you reminded me to proof this post. So fif thier ar errrors, Im reelly a bozo. Dave Perez Gainesville, FL Hogtown Brewers --Message_Part_SYNC563343C1A3-- --Next_Part_SYNC563343C1A3--