Subject: Digest for the period 2/24/02 - 2/25/02 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:04:17 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC548943730C" --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 (JayAnkeney`at`aol.com) --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC548943730C" --Message_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC54754370FE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:20 -0500 Received: from JayAnkeney`at`aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.60.1b812cb2 (4216) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: JayAnkeney`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: <60.1b812cb2.29aa7349`at`aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:09 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 44 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message In a message dated 2/22/02 10:07:16 PM, judge`at`synchro.com writes: << Scott Kaplan wrote: >Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the >mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that >the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? Jim Layton replied Yes, I honestly believe that the top three beers in a ribbon category deserve the ribbons. Geez, its just a ribbon (or stein or medal or whatever). Zero cash value to the recipient. Bragging rights amongst brewing buddies at best. Its not like the judge's or the BJCP's credibility is on the line here. >> Let me add: I heartily agree with Jim about awarding the ribbons. Sometimes I think there are judges who would watch a Super Bowl and harumph that since it wasn't a very good game nobody should be declared the winner. A homebrew competition should be just that--a competition. Let the entrants put their best efforts forward, and let the judges declare who gets 1st, 2nd or 3rd. As long as the beers are clean and match the style category, give them recognition. The attitude that a beer isn't "good enough" for a competition's standards belies not only a grinchy arrogance, it is an attempt to cover up the fact that the organizers had not done their jobs well enough to attract good brewers. Low scores reflect more about the competition than the beers entered. Jay Ankeney 220 39th St. Manhattan Beach, CA 90266 (310) 545-3983 --Message_Part_SYNC548943730C-- --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/24/02 - 2/25/02 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:04:17 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC548943730C" --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 (JayAnkeney`at`aol.com) --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC548943730C" --Message_Part_SYNC548943730C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC54754370FE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:20 -0500 Received: from JayAnkeney`at`aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.60.1b812cb2 (4216) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: JayAnkeney`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: <60.1b812cb2.29aa7349`at`aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:48:09 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 44 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message In a message dated 2/22/02 10:07:16 PM, judge`at`synchro.com writes: << Scott Kaplan wrote: >Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the >mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that >the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? Jim Layton replied Yes, I honestly believe that the top three beers in a ribbon category deserve the ribbons. Geez, its just a ribbon (or stein or medal or whatever). Zero cash value to the recipient. Bragging rights amongst brewing buddies at best. Its not like the judge's or the BJCP's credibility is on the line here. >> Let me add: I heartily agree with Jim about awarding the ribbons. Sometimes I think there are judges who would watch a Super Bowl and harumph that since it wasn't a very good game nobody should be declared the winner. A homebrew competition should be just that--a competition. Let the entrants put their best efforts forward, and let the judges declare who gets 1st, 2nd or 3rd. As long as the beers are clean and match the style category, give them recognition. The attitude that a beer isn't "good enough" for a competition's standards belies not only a grinchy arrogance, it is an attempt to cover up the fact that the organizers had not done their jobs well enough to attract good brewers. Low scores reflect more about the competition than the beers entered. Jay Ankeney 220 39th St. Manhattan Beach, CA 90266 (310) 545-3983 --Message_Part_SYNC548943730C-- --Next_Part_SYNC548943730C--