Subject: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:01:38 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5441436201" --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Judges' responsibilities (blutick`at`juno.com) --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5441436201" --Message_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m5.jersey.juno.com ([64.136.16.68]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC54144351CA for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:27:47 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uJiHWT5fQ41kJ23IKgbni8sXNux8E8SFQXMgvnjXmb7pb+lvV68TlA=="> Received: (from blutick`at`juno.com) by m5.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GT8L4MCK; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:27:03 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:30:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Judges' responsibilities Message-ID: <20020221.213031.-225907.1.blutick`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8-9,12-13,16-17,20-26,32-33 From: blutick`at`juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Scott Kaplan wrote: >Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the >mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that >the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? Yes, I honestly believe that the top three beers in a ribbon category deserve the ribbons. Geez, its just a ribbon (or stein or medal or whatever). Zero cash value to the recipient. Bragging rights amongst brewing buddies at best. Its not like the judge's or the BJCP's credibility is on the line here. The competition flyer generally indicates how many awards will be given out and in what style categories. To take the entrant's money and not award the prizes is just wrong. Competitions lose a lot of the fun factor when some judge trots out the "none of these beers is worthy" argument. The word "arrogant" comes to mind. >As to disqualification, if an entry does not conform to the entry rules >(like plain bottles with no labels), the judge should evaluate the beer >anyway, but disqualify it from ribbons because the entrant violated the >stated rules. Again I disagree. The competition staff had every opportunity to disqualify the entry during the check in process. If they send it out to be judged, I judge the beer with no regard to the container. If the competition organizer wants to publish entry "rules" but is willing to allow certain infractions to slide, well, it is his or her competition. Unless I'm the organizer, I'm just a beer judge. Jim Layton --Message_Part_SYNC5441436201-- --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/22/02 - 2/23/02 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:01:38 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5441436201" --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Judges' responsibilities (blutick`at`juno.com) --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5441436201" --Message_Part_SYNC5441436201 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m5.jersey.juno.com ([64.136.16.68]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC54144351CA for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:27:47 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uJiHWT5fQ41kJ23IKgbni8sXNux8E8SFQXMgvnjXmb7pb+lvV68TlA=="> Received: (from blutick`at`juno.com) by m5.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GT8L4MCK; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:27:03 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:30:30 -0600 Subject: Re: Judges' responsibilities Message-ID: <20020221.213031.-225907.1.blutick`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8-9,12-13,16-17,20-26,32-33 From: blutick`at`juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Scott Kaplan wrote: >Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the >mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that >the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? Yes, I honestly believe that the top three beers in a ribbon category deserve the ribbons. Geez, its just a ribbon (or stein or medal or whatever). Zero cash value to the recipient. Bragging rights amongst brewing buddies at best. Its not like the judge's or the BJCP's credibility is on the line here. The competition flyer generally indicates how many awards will be given out and in what style categories. To take the entrant's money and not award the prizes is just wrong. Competitions lose a lot of the fun factor when some judge trots out the "none of these beers is worthy" argument. The word "arrogant" comes to mind. >As to disqualification, if an entry does not conform to the entry rules >(like plain bottles with no labels), the judge should evaluate the beer >anyway, but disqualify it from ribbons because the entrant violated the >stated rules. Again I disagree. The competition staff had every opportunity to disqualify the entry during the check in process. If they send it out to be judged, I judge the beer with no regard to the container. If the competition organizer wants to publish entry "rules" but is willing to allow certain infractions to slide, well, it is his or her competition. Unless I'm the organizer, I'm just a beer judge. Jim Layton --Message_Part_SYNC5441436201-- --Next_Part_SYNC5441436201--