Subject: Digest for the period 2/20/02 - 2/21/02 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:04:59 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC539343456B" --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Drunk Monk Challenge, March 23 -- call for judges (Steve McKenna) WZZ Homebrew Competition (John C. Tull) Judges' responsibilities (Great Scott!) --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC539343456B" --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5370433EA0 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:48:51 -0500 Received: from user-33qtbga.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.174.10] helo=stm2.earthlink.net) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dRUa-0003sS-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:48:44 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020220014635.00b4db60`at`mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mckennst`at`mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:48:39 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Steve McKenna Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Drunk Monk Challenge, March 23 -- call for judges Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message THE DRUNK MONK CHALLENGE March 23, 2002 Sponsored by the Urban Knaves of Grain The Urban Knaves of Grain will host our 4th annual Drunk Monk Challenge homebrew competition on Saturday, March 23 at Two Brothers Brewing Company in Warrenville, IL. Entries are due by March 16. The competition is AHA sanctioned and is a qualifying event for both MCAB and the Midwest Homebrewer of the Year Award. In addition to the BJCP categories of beer, mead, and cider, we'll once again feature our own special category, the Menace of the Monastery, for beer styles with roots in the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales, plus German doppelbock. This year, the winners of Best of Show and the Menace will brew their beers at Glen Ellyn Brewing Co. and Govnor's Pub. Last year's Drunk Monk Challenge attracted a record-breaking 504 entries, and it took a huge turnout of dedicated judges and stewards to pull it off. We'll need lots of help to do it again. We offer a volunteers' Gumbofest party on Friday, a complimentary tasting glass, potluck dinner on Saturday, a raffle, shuttle to nearby train stations, and Beds for Brewers for those staying overnight. Judges and stewards, please help! Competition info and online registration: http://www.sgu.net/ukg/dmc Judges and stewards: contact Steve McKenna, mckennst`at`earthlink.net, (630) 305-0554 --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5385434370 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:53:06 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1KN1u727368 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:01:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:52:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: WZZ Homebrew Competition From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <945563D6-2654-11D6-856E-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists Homebrew Competition (24 Mrach 2002) will be needing judges and stewards as well as entrants. We now have our online registration available. You can find all the details as well as the links for registering as a judge, steward, or entrant here: http://homepage.mac.com/wzz/wzz-comp2002.html Thanks and hope you can participate, John Tull Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists Reno, Nevada --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net ([207.172.11.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC53874343D3 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:44:34 -0500 Received: from [209.6.138.198] (209-6-136-3.s3.tnt1.mnh.nh.dialup.rcn.com [209.6.136.3]) by gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with ESMTP id TAA27322 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:44:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:40:22 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Great Scott! Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Judges' responsibilities X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Norman Dickerson posted in reply to my comment about judge's right to not award ribbons. > >I have to disagree. It isn't and never has been the >judges perogative whether or not ribbons are awarded at a competition. >Neither can they disqualify a beer. They may, of course, offer >recommendations, but it seems to me that the award of prizes is strictly the >purview of the competition organizer. The judges' role is simply to judge >the beer and assign a score, or comparatively rank beers in the case of BOS >or mini BOS. My turn to disagree with Mr. Dickerson. Let's look at this from a somewhat objective view on a somewhat subjective experience. Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? These scores are rated simply as "Good," while "Very Good," "Excellent" and "Outstanding" are above them. I would go so far (not saying that I *have* gone so far) as to not award a first place ribbon at all, and take the top two scores and make them second and third place (depending on score). Let's look at this from a pure scholastic grading system. 90-100% is an A, 80-89% is a B, 70-79% a C, and so forth. Every teacher and professor I've ever had subscribed to this convention. Scoring a beer in the mid or even upper 20's out of a 50 point scale means it scores in the high 40% area. Clearly a failing grade. Even if we stretch things a bit because very few beers if any at all score in the 40s (on the 50 scale), reserving first place ribbons for those beers that score 30 or higher seems to me the right thing to do. As to disqualification, if an entry does not conform to the entry rules (like plain bottles with no labels), the judge should evaluate the beer anyway, but disqualify it from ribbons because the entrant violated the stated rules. Scott Kaplan --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B-- --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/20/02 - 2/21/02 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:04:59 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC539343456B" --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Drunk Monk Challenge, March 23 -- call for judges (Steve McKenna) WZZ Homebrew Competition (John C. Tull) Judges' responsibilities (Great Scott!) --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC539343456B" --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5370433EA0 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:48:51 -0500 Received: from user-33qtbga.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.174.10] helo=stm2.earthlink.net) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dRUa-0003sS-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:48:44 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020220014635.00b4db60`at`mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mckennst`at`mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:48:39 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Steve McKenna Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Drunk Monk Challenge, March 23 -- call for judges Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message THE DRUNK MONK CHALLENGE March 23, 2002 Sponsored by the Urban Knaves of Grain The Urban Knaves of Grain will host our 4th annual Drunk Monk Challenge homebrew competition on Saturday, March 23 at Two Brothers Brewing Company in Warrenville, IL. Entries are due by March 16. The competition is AHA sanctioned and is a qualifying event for both MCAB and the Midwest Homebrewer of the Year Award. In addition to the BJCP categories of beer, mead, and cider, we'll once again feature our own special category, the Menace of the Monastery, for beer styles with roots in the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales, plus German doppelbock. This year, the winners of Best of Show and the Menace will brew their beers at Glen Ellyn Brewing Co. and Govnor's Pub. Last year's Drunk Monk Challenge attracted a record-breaking 504 entries, and it took a huge turnout of dedicated judges and stewards to pull it off. We'll need lots of help to do it again. We offer a volunteers' Gumbofest party on Friday, a complimentary tasting glass, potluck dinner on Saturday, a raffle, shuttle to nearby train stations, and Beds for Brewers for those staying overnight. Judges and stewards, please help! Competition info and online registration: http://www.sgu.net/ukg/dmc Judges and stewards: contact Steve McKenna, mckennst`at`earthlink.net, (630) 305-0554 --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5385434370 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:53:06 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1KN1u727368 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:01:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:52:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: WZZ Homebrew Competition From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <945563D6-2654-11D6-856E-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists Homebrew Competition (24 Mrach 2002) will be needing judges and stewards as well as entrants. We now have our online registration available. You can find all the details as well as the links for registering as a judge, steward, or entrant here: http://homepage.mac.com/wzz/wzz-comp2002.html Thanks and hope you can participate, John Tull Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists Reno, Nevada --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net ([207.172.11.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC53874343D3 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:44:34 -0500 Received: from [209.6.138.198] (209-6-136-3.s3.tnt1.mnh.nh.dialup.rcn.com [209.6.136.3]) by gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with ESMTP id TAA27322 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:44:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:40:22 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Great Scott! Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Judges' responsibilities X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Norman Dickerson posted in reply to my comment about judge's right to not award ribbons. > >I have to disagree. It isn't and never has been the >judges perogative whether or not ribbons are awarded at a competition. >Neither can they disqualify a beer. They may, of course, offer >recommendations, but it seems to me that the award of prizes is strictly the >purview of the competition organizer. The judges' role is simply to judge >the beer and assign a score, or comparatively rank beers in the case of BOS >or mini BOS. My turn to disagree with Mr. Dickerson. Let's look at this from a somewhat objective view on a somewhat subjective experience. Let's say that a panel has judged their beers and none score above the mid-twenties (trust me, it's happened). Does anyone honestly believe that the top three beers in this scoring range deserve ribbons? These scores are rated simply as "Good," while "Very Good," "Excellent" and "Outstanding" are above them. I would go so far (not saying that I *have* gone so far) as to not award a first place ribbon at all, and take the top two scores and make them second and third place (depending on score). Let's look at this from a pure scholastic grading system. 90-100% is an A, 80-89% is a B, 70-79% a C, and so forth. Every teacher and professor I've ever had subscribed to this convention. Scoring a beer in the mid or even upper 20's out of a 50 point scale means it scores in the high 40% area. Clearly a failing grade. Even if we stretch things a bit because very few beers if any at all score in the 40s (on the 50 scale), reserving first place ribbons for those beers that score 30 or higher seems to me the right thing to do. As to disqualification, if an entry does not conform to the entry rules (like plain bottles with no labels), the judge should evaluate the beer anyway, but disqualify it from ribbons because the entrant violated the stated rules. Scott Kaplan --Message_Part_SYNC539343456B-- --Next_Part_SYNC539343456B--