Subject: Digest for the period 2/16/02 - 2/17/02 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:02:38 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3" --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bigger is better? (Randy Paul) Re: Combining Styles From Vince Scarduzio (VScarduzio`at`aol.com) --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3" --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from ren-2.cais.net ([205.252.14.77]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5272430B86 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:48 -0500 Received: from [209.8.89.75] (178.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.178]) by ren-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1G51aD61919 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:42 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: randy`at`shell.cais.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:23:39 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Randy Paul Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Bigger is better? X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bigger beers don't routinely do better than delicate beers in BOS's in the DC area. It's probably more of an issue when ranking beers within styles where an APA, for example, can be out-of-range-big and take the flight. Something that does happen, IMO, is when it gets down to two or three beers that have no significant flaws to discriminate them. Here, there's an advantage to the style that's "harder to make." I'd expect a lambic to win over an equivalent american amber ale, for example. I also want to remind folks that we breakdown our scoring in 3 to 20 point increments which are objective in how they're combined but subjective within. Most notably, the "overall impression" is 10 very subjective points which is a much greater range than that which separates most winning beers. Add to that, palate fatigue and reaching threshold values of some flavors (I always remember having a weizen before judging and every other beer that day seemed to have phenols) and it becomes important to compare the top scoring beers side by side to affirm their ranking within subjective limitations. -- Randy --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC52844317DF for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from VScarduzio`at`aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.b0.22200e04 (3861) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: VScarduzio`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:16 EST Subject: Re: Combining Styles From Vince Scarduzio To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Much of this dialogue evolved from Bill Wible's earlier comments that new styles should not be added to the guidelines because they may not be brewed often and will be combined with other categories which is often the case with the judging of lagers. This is absolutely true that styles do often get combined, but we need to realize the value of the guidelines to the homebrewing community. Many of us turn to the guidelines to learn more about particular styles and perhaps take a crack at brewing them. I knew very little about English Dark Mild and Southern English Brown until I consulted the guidelines and sampled a few commercial versions. All I am trying to say is that promotion of the hobby and beer education should be at the forefront here and this is accomplished by adding new styles to the guidelines. --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3-- --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/16/02 - 2/17/02 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:02:38 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3" --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bigger is better? (Randy Paul) Re: Combining Styles From Vince Scarduzio (VScarduzio`at`aol.com) --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3" --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from ren-2.cais.net ([205.252.14.77]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5272430B86 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:48 -0500 Received: from [209.8.89.75] (178.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.178]) by ren-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1G51aD61919 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:42 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: randy`at`shell.cais.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:23:39 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Randy Paul Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Bigger is better? X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bigger beers don't routinely do better than delicate beers in BOS's in the DC area. It's probably more of an issue when ranking beers within styles where an APA, for example, can be out-of-range-big and take the flight. Something that does happen, IMO, is when it gets down to two or three beers that have no significant flaws to discriminate them. Here, there's an advantage to the style that's "harder to make." I'd expect a lambic to win over an equivalent american amber ale, for example. I also want to remind folks that we breakdown our scoring in 3 to 20 point increments which are objective in how they're combined but subjective within. Most notably, the "overall impression" is 10 very subjective points which is a much greater range than that which separates most winning beers. Add to that, palate fatigue and reaching threshold values of some flavors (I always remember having a weizen before judging and every other beer that day seemed to have phenols) and it becomes important to compare the top scoring beers side by side to affirm their ranking within subjective limitations. -- Randy --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC52844317DF for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from VScarduzio`at`aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.b0.22200e04 (3861) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: VScarduzio`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:16 EST Subject: Re: Combining Styles From Vince Scarduzio To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Much of this dialogue evolved from Bill Wible's earlier comments that new styles should not be added to the guidelines because they may not be brewed often and will be combined with other categories which is often the case with the judging of lagers. This is absolutely true that styles do often get combined, but we need to realize the value of the guidelines to the homebrewing community. Many of us turn to the guidelines to learn more about particular styles and perhaps take a crack at brewing them. I knew very little about English Dark Mild and Southern English Brown until I consulted the guidelines and sampled a few commercial versions. All I am trying to say is that promotion of the hobby and beer education should be at the forefront here and this is accomplished by adding new styles to the guidelines. --Message_Part_SYNC5297431AB3-- --Next_Part_SYNC5297431AB3--