Subject: Digest for the period 2/8/02 - 2/9/02 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:04:10 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC510542B878" --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Style guideline history (short version) (Steve Casselman) Digest for the period 2/7/02 - 2/8/02 (Drew Beechum) English IPAs? (David Houseman) STyles Tracking (Paul Gatza) Washoe Zephyr Zymurgist Homebrew Comp. (Reno, NV) (John C. Tull) Judging Combined Flights (Stephen Johnson) --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC510542B878" --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.141]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC507642A5AF for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:53:01 -0500 Received: from HILBERT ([64.174.106.246]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GR600E3IXFMO2`at`mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:28:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:23:40 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Style guideline history (short version) In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message When we did the guide lines our main goal was to put together a guide line that helped us judge beer. We took Tim Dawson's guide line and put it in the current format. We tried to fix any major holes but that was about it. We did not go into the process to change, update or fix the guide lines. Below are a couple of pointer to the IEEE site. It is one of the most respected standards organizations in the world. I don't think we need to go as far as they have, but we might want a very slimed down version of what they put together. A lot of smart people put some thought into their process. http://standards.ieee.org/guides/companion/index.html http://standards.ieee.org/guides/companion/part2.html#PAR Steve --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.disney.com ([204.128.192.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC508142AA3B for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:30:20 -0500 Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (root`at`hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g186SIJ05602 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ford.wdi.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:38 -0800 Received: from nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (nufat [206.16.11.70]) by ford.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.1/D1) with ESMTP id WAA24197 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (mp [255.255.255.255]) by nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA1053846118 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from drew`at`localhost) by mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA07290; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15459.28756.927183.349628`at`mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Beechum Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Digest for the period 2/7/02 - 2/8/02 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Well, I'm in the middle of organizing my first competition as the head director. Every year our club meets and re-organizes our own guidelines. (Closely based off the BJCP guidelines - Available at http://www.maltosefalcons.com/comps/2002_Falcons_Style_Guidelines.pdf) Our primary concern has been covering gaps as we've seen them. (Like having a strong ale category, american/english ipa's american stout, etc.) Secondary, is whatever one happens to be passionate about brewing at that point we typically fiddle with. (Like Saison we did this year cause I always felt there was something missing with only the Summer Saison being recognized.) I also like the general rule of our competition. No classes collapses. If we have 3 entries in a class, all 3 beers get judged in their class. Course we don't give awards to everyone in a small class. Generally for table scheduling if we have small classes a judging group will get those small flights. No sweat. -- Drew JudgeNet - the beer judge digest writes: > From: Bill Wible Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:25:11 -0500 > Subject: New Styles > > As far as adding new styles - remember - there have to be > enough people brewing those styles and entering them in > competitions to support having a separate style category > for each style, or it will just end up being combined with > some other category in the competition anyway. --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC508742AEEA for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:52:46 -0500 Received: from user-2inilrt.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.87.125] helo=winxp) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZAWD-0001Py-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 04:52:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00e501c1b09f$78d61830$0100a8c0`at`winxp> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: English IPAs? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:52:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The argument to have both English and American IPAs may well be valid, just as we created separate English and American Barleywines. But is there really an English IPA any longer? The English beers I've had in the last few years that say "IPA" are in fact just a Bitter with a different marketing spin, IPA. There wasn't a consistent theme to these beers. Sure the history of the IPA is English, but it seems to me that, as a distinct style, it's now American. For those of you who really want to have IPAs split, go ahead and create what you believe to be a style description of these (or any) styles and post --- also please send me a copy. I ask that for consistency that you use the format of the current style guide; it provides a framework to ensure that all the relevant characteristics, including commercial examples, are included. Let's see what the English IPA description would be as distinctive from the existing styles... Dave Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mailman.aob.org ([206.168.226.8]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509042B113 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:45:22 -0500 Received: from aob21 (unassigned.aob.org [206.168.226.58] (may be forged)) by mailman.aob.org (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01888 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:44:32 -0700 From: "Paul Gatza" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: STyles Tracking Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:45:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Wayne asked about AHA documenting category entries. We do that annually for the commercial competitions GABF and biannually for World Beer Cup. On the homebrew side it would be simple to incorporate it into the Sanctioned Competition Program materials. Many competitions combine categories, and we could ask the organizer to separate them back out as part of the report. I don't know how much value it would have in exchange for the administrative effort of tracking. What may be useful is tracking the descriptions of the specialty, experimental and historical entries, so that we could keep an eye on what styles are emerging in modern homebrewing that may need their own categories in the future. Please let me know if you think there is value to this. Thanks. --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509242B21A for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g18HfH810070 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:41:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:35:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Washoe Zephyr Zymurgist Homebrew Comp. (Reno, NV) From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E73B2E0-1CBA-11D6-8A74-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I would like to announce the Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists (WZZ; pronounced "wizz") Homebrew Competition will be held on 24 March 2002 at the Great Basin Brewing Company in Reno, NV. Details can be found on the internet at http://homepage.mac.com/wzz/wzz-comp2002.html. If you are interested in judging for this event contact me (jctull`at`unr.edu). A synopsis of the event follows: Date: March 24, 2002 All entries are due between 23 February and 16 March 2002. Ship to: The Reno Homebrewer (775-329-2537) 2335 Dickerson Road Reno, NV, 89503 This event will be a Beer Judge Certification Program sanctioned competition. All beer style categories will be accepted as recognized by the BJCP and the AHA. Entry fees are $6 for the first entry and $4 per entry thereafter. Use of official entry form is required. See entry guidelines at the link above. Any entries not meeting the official guidelines will be subject to disqualification. You are encouraged to enter as many categories as you would like, but you may not submit more than one entry per category. Your homebrew cannot be brewed at any place that brews beverages for commercial purposes. We reserve the right to combine categories if there are less than 5 beers entered. In addition to awarding first, second, and third place ribbons for winners in each filled category, a Best of Show round will be held amongst first place winners from each judged category. A BJCP recognized Master beer judge will oversee the Best of Show round. Best of Show winner will receive a $50 gift certificate for use at The Reno Homebrewer in Reno, NV (mail-order accepted) and a yard glass. There will be a first-time competitor prize (small keg of beer from one of our sponsors) for the highest score from a first-time competition entrant. Also, the individual with the highest score for 3 beers entered will also receive a small keg of beer. Additional prizes from our sponsors will be provided for all competition winners. Good luck, John C. Tull --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu ([129.59.1.76]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509642B3FC for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:35:02 -0500 Received: from smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6C+d3.6) with ESMTP id g18LYtQ17806 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from imap2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (imap2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.135]) by smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6B+d3.6) with ESMTP id g18LYs217794 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from susan.vanderbilt.edu (A193120.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.193.120]) by imap2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6A+d3.6) with SMTP id g18LYqv19774 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020208153514.02ff7498`at`j.mail.vanderbilt.edu> X-Sender: johnsosm`at`j.mail.vanderbilt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:35:14 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Stephen Johnson Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Judging Combined Flights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bill Wible brings up some interesting issues in the latest Judge Digest regarding the possibility of new styles and collapsing categories in competitions. He has experienced certain categories or styles being dominant over other, perhaps more subtle styles or categories when a flight has multiple styles or categories to be judged. As a competition organizer and judge coordinator for many of our past 6 Music City Brew-Offs in Nashville, TN, we have had to do just this to deal with some of the smaller categories. I have also been involved with other competitions that have done this as well, and have been on such flight judging panels. As a judge, I have helped work with some other novice judges to let them know that each small category or style needs to be judged against the style guidelines, not against the other beers in the flight that are in different categories or from different styles. As an organizer and judge coordinator, I have given a table of judges a verbal reminder that this is what they should be doing. We even inform our stewards of this, so that they can be prepared to deliver all of the similar category or style beers to the table in a particular order so that each group of entries is judged together. Our pull sheets are organized in this fashion as well, although we allow the judges to have the final say as to what order they want the beers delivered. So, the bottom line is that good, experienced judges should be aware of these factors, and take into consideration that they are judging a given beer against a style guideline, and not necessarily against the other beers in a given flight that may be from a different category. Now, palate fatigue is a whole different issue that can certainly come into play in influencing one's final scores on a flight of beers from different categories. I'll leave that one to another discussion! Steve Johnson, President Music City Brewers Nashville, TN --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878-- --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/8/02 - 2/9/02 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:04:10 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC510542B878" --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Style guideline history (short version) (Steve Casselman) Digest for the period 2/7/02 - 2/8/02 (Drew Beechum) English IPAs? (David Houseman) STyles Tracking (Paul Gatza) Washoe Zephyr Zymurgist Homebrew Comp. (Reno, NV) (John C. Tull) Judging Combined Flights (Stephen Johnson) --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC510542B878" --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.141]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC507642A5AF for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:53:01 -0500 Received: from HILBERT ([64.174.106.246]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GR600E3IXFMO2`at`mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:28:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:23:40 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Style guideline history (short version) In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message When we did the guide lines our main goal was to put together a guide line that helped us judge beer. We took Tim Dawson's guide line and put it in the current format. We tried to fix any major holes but that was about it. We did not go into the process to change, update or fix the guide lines. Below are a couple of pointer to the IEEE site. It is one of the most respected standards organizations in the world. I don't think we need to go as far as they have, but we might want a very slimed down version of what they put together. A lot of smart people put some thought into their process. http://standards.ieee.org/guides/companion/index.html http://standards.ieee.org/guides/companion/part2.html#PAR Steve --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.disney.com ([204.128.192.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC508142AA3B for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:30:20 -0500 Received: from Hermes10.corp.disney.com (root`at`hermes10.corp.disney.com [153.7.110.102]) by mail.disney.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g186SIJ05602 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ford.wdi.disney.com by hermes.corp.disney.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:38 -0800 Received: from nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (nufat [206.16.11.70]) by ford.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.1/D1) with ESMTP id WAA24197 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (mp [255.255.255.255]) by nufat.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA1053846118 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from drew`at`localhost) by mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA07290; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15459.28756.927183.349628`at`mumbo.rd.wdi.disney.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Beechum Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Digest for the period 2/7/02 - 2/8/02 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Well, I'm in the middle of organizing my first competition as the head director. Every year our club meets and re-organizes our own guidelines. (Closely based off the BJCP guidelines - Available at http://www.maltosefalcons.com/comps/2002_Falcons_Style_Guidelines.pdf) Our primary concern has been covering gaps as we've seen them. (Like having a strong ale category, american/english ipa's american stout, etc.) Secondary, is whatever one happens to be passionate about brewing at that point we typically fiddle with. (Like Saison we did this year cause I always felt there was something missing with only the Summer Saison being recognized.) I also like the general rule of our competition. No classes collapses. If we have 3 entries in a class, all 3 beers get judged in their class. Course we don't give awards to everyone in a small class. Generally for table scheduling if we have small classes a judging group will get those small flights. No sweat. -- Drew JudgeNet - the beer judge digest writes: > From: Bill Wible Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:25:11 -0500 > Subject: New Styles > > As far as adding new styles - remember - there have to be > enough people brewing those styles and entering them in > competitions to support having a separate style category > for each style, or it will just end up being combined with > some other category in the competition anyway. --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC508742AEEA for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:52:46 -0500 Received: from user-2inilrt.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.87.125] helo=winxp) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZAWD-0001Py-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 04:52:45 -0800 Message-ID: <00e501c1b09f$78d61830$0100a8c0`at`winxp> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: English IPAs? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:52:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The argument to have both English and American IPAs may well be valid, just as we created separate English and American Barleywines. But is there really an English IPA any longer? The English beers I've had in the last few years that say "IPA" are in fact just a Bitter with a different marketing spin, IPA. There wasn't a consistent theme to these beers. Sure the history of the IPA is English, but it seems to me that, as a distinct style, it's now American. For those of you who really want to have IPAs split, go ahead and create what you believe to be a style description of these (or any) styles and post --- also please send me a copy. I ask that for consistency that you use the format of the current style guide; it provides a framework to ensure that all the relevant characteristics, including commercial examples, are included. Let's see what the English IPA description would be as distinctive from the existing styles... Dave Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mailman.aob.org ([206.168.226.8]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509042B113 for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:45:22 -0500 Received: from aob21 (unassigned.aob.org [206.168.226.58] (may be forged)) by mailman.aob.org (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01888 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:44:32 -0700 From: "Paul Gatza" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: STyles Tracking Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:45:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Wayne asked about AHA documenting category entries. We do that annually for the commercial competitions GABF and biannually for World Beer Cup. On the homebrew side it would be simple to incorporate it into the Sanctioned Competition Program materials. Many competitions combine categories, and we could ask the organizer to separate them back out as part of the report. I don't know how much value it would have in exchange for the administrative effort of tracking. What may be useful is tracking the descriptions of the specialty, experimental and historical entries, so that we could keep an eye on what styles are emerging in modern homebrewing that may need their own categories in the future. Please let me know if you think there is value to this. Thanks. --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509242B21A for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g18HfH810070 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:41:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:35:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Washoe Zephyr Zymurgist Homebrew Comp. (Reno, NV) From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E73B2E0-1CBA-11D6-8A74-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I would like to announce the Washoe Zephyr Zymurgists (WZZ; pronounced "wizz") Homebrew Competition will be held on 24 March 2002 at the Great Basin Brewing Company in Reno, NV. Details can be found on the internet at http://homepage.mac.com/wzz/wzz-comp2002.html. If you are interested in judging for this event contact me (jctull`at`unr.edu). A synopsis of the event follows: Date: March 24, 2002 All entries are due between 23 February and 16 March 2002. Ship to: The Reno Homebrewer (775-329-2537) 2335 Dickerson Road Reno, NV, 89503 This event will be a Beer Judge Certification Program sanctioned competition. All beer style categories will be accepted as recognized by the BJCP and the AHA. Entry fees are $6 for the first entry and $4 per entry thereafter. Use of official entry form is required. See entry guidelines at the link above. Any entries not meeting the official guidelines will be subject to disqualification. You are encouraged to enter as many categories as you would like, but you may not submit more than one entry per category. Your homebrew cannot be brewed at any place that brews beverages for commercial purposes. We reserve the right to combine categories if there are less than 5 beers entered. In addition to awarding first, second, and third place ribbons for winners in each filled category, a Best of Show round will be held amongst first place winners from each judged category. A BJCP recognized Master beer judge will oversee the Best of Show round. Best of Show winner will receive a $50 gift certificate for use at The Reno Homebrewer in Reno, NV (mail-order accepted) and a yard glass. There will be a first-time competitor prize (small keg of beer from one of our sponsors) for the highest score from a first-time competition entrant. Also, the individual with the highest score for 3 beers entered will also receive a small keg of beer. Additional prizes from our sponsors will be provided for all competition winners. Good luck, John C. Tull --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu ([129.59.1.76]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC509642B3FC for judge`at`synchro.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:35:02 -0500 Received: from smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6C+d3.6) with ESMTP id g18LYtQ17806 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from imap2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (imap2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.135]) by smtp2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6B+d3.6) with ESMTP id g18LYs217794 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from susan.vanderbilt.edu (A193120.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.193.120]) by imap2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6A+d3.6) with SMTP id g18LYqv19774 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:34:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20020208153514.02ff7498`at`j.mail.vanderbilt.edu> X-Sender: johnsosm`at`j.mail.vanderbilt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:35:14 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Stephen Johnson Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Judging Combined Flights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bill Wible brings up some interesting issues in the latest Judge Digest regarding the possibility of new styles and collapsing categories in competitions. He has experienced certain categories or styles being dominant over other, perhaps more subtle styles or categories when a flight has multiple styles or categories to be judged. As a competition organizer and judge coordinator for many of our past 6 Music City Brew-Offs in Nashville, TN, we have had to do just this to deal with some of the smaller categories. I have also been involved with other competitions that have done this as well, and have been on such flight judging panels. As a judge, I have helped work with some other novice judges to let them know that each small category or style needs to be judged against the style guidelines, not against the other beers in the flight that are in different categories or from different styles. As an organizer and judge coordinator, I have given a table of judges a verbal reminder that this is what they should be doing. We even inform our stewards of this, so that they can be prepared to deliver all of the similar category or style beers to the table in a particular order so that each group of entries is judged together. Our pull sheets are organized in this fashion as well, although we allow the judges to have the final say as to what order they want the beers delivered. So, the bottom line is that good, experienced judges should be aware of these factors, and take into consideration that they are judging a given beer against a style guideline, and not necessarily against the other beers in a given flight that may be from a different category. Now, palate fatigue is a whole different issue that can certainly come into play in influencing one's final scores on a flight of beers from different categories. I'll leave that one to another discussion! Steve Johnson, President Music City Brewers Nashville, TN --Message_Part_SYNC510542B878-- --Next_Part_SYNC510542B878--