Subject: Digest for the period 2/6/02 - 2/7/02 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 01:04:40 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57" --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- New Styles (Mark Tumarkin) CARBOY Shamrock Open - March 16, 2002 (Mike Dixon) Possible beer styles to be added to the guidelines (John B. Doherty) More Missing Styles (Nathan Moore) Re: Serving Specs (not severing, I hope) (John C. Tull) (Steve Casselman) --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57" --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC50414294BC for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:08:57 -0500 Received: from 1cust164.tnt4.gainesville.fl.da.uu.net ([63.39.13.164] helo=markt) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YSkp-0006ig-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c1af17$c0b6d240$d4fa1a3f`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: New Styles Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The discussion of Steve's (and other's) style mapping is apparently quite interesting to many of us. The idea of holes in Beer space is intriguing, especially for the creative homebrewer looking to try something different. And there also seems to be a number of people that feel it may be time for hoppy stouts/porters, Irish Red ales, etc to be added to the style guide. As I understand it, a new style would be added (or an old one removed) based on the number of entries being received in homebrew competitions. I'd asked earlier (with no response) if we have any mechanism for tracking the numbers of entries being received. I suspect the answer is no. It might be a good idea to ask organizers to send us information on the entries they receive in Category 24 (Specialty, Experimental, Historical). Even if not all organizers respond, it would give us at least some data to use as a basis for these decisions. Mark Tumarkin mark_t`at`ix.netcom.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pluto.portbridge.com ([209.170.128.13]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5041429508 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:43:12 -0500 Received: from miked (dialup-66-109-75-37.horizons.net [66.109.75.37] (may be forged)) by pluto.portbridge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28856 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00de01c1af1b$5ff42c60$0300a8c0`at`miked> From: "Mike Dixon" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: CARBOY Shamrock Open - March 16, 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:34:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message To all potential entrants, stewards, and judges... The 6th Annual Carboy Shamrock Open Hombrew Competition will be held March 16, 2002 at the BB&Y Restaurant in Raleigh, NC. The competition is registered with the BJCP, and is a qualifying event for NCBoY. Entry deadline is March 10, 2002 at 5 pm. Online entries are preferred. Entry rules and information can be found at http://www.hbd.org/carboy/shamrock.htm A raffle is also being planned, and lunch is provided for judges and stewards. Please contact mpdixon`at`ipass.net with any questions or to sign up as a judge or steward. Cheers, Mike --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web20401.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.120]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5042429535 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20020206151212.80038.qmail`at`web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.245.160.2] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:12:12 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: "John B. Doherty" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Possible beer styles to be added to the guidelines To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I'd certainly like to see the IPA category divided between English Style and American Style. It was done with the Barleywine guidelines, and I believe that many of the differences between the two barleywine substyles are also relevant to the differences between the proposed IPA substyles. This to me is an obvious choice for addition, especially since I've seen numerous entrants (including myself) specifying American or British in the Special Ingredients field on the entry forms. It really helps the judges, I believe, to know whether they're looking for a highly bittered "grapefruit" IPA or a moderately high bittered and floral Goldings IPA. Another substyle which I'd like to see is "Strong Ale" in category 11. I'm envisioning something to catch those higher gravity British Ales that don't quite fit as an Old Ale. I've seen some wonderful beers entered as Old Ales score lower than they maybe should have because they were considered "too young" or too hoppy for an Old Ale. This is likely due to the fact that the current style guidelines decree "hop aroma not usually present... hop variety is not as important...", make no mention of hop flavor at all in an Old Ale, and mention "oxidation" (sherry, port & Madeira) twice! So to summarize, I'm envisioning something along the same gravity lines (maybe towards the lower end) as Old Ale / Wee Heavy, more hop character than either, less hop character than any IPA, "younger" and nowhere near as oxidized as Old Ale, and not as thickly malty as a Wee Heavy. I'd have to say that Young's Winter Warmer (listed as a commercial example of an Old Ale) would actually fit better as a Strong Ale when it is consumed "fresh", as it initially lacks the oxidation and still has hop character. I've also heard minor grumblings about the removal of the Dutch / Scandinavian Pilsner subcategory of Euro Light Lager in the last guideline revision, but only minor ones. But not too many people brew Euro Lagers with corn or rice adjuncts, I guess. Regarding the 4 suggestions which Dave lists below, I only feel the need to examine the West Coast Stout, or as I would like to see it called, simply American Stout (A la the American Brown Ale substyle). Irish Ale simply isn't Irish, but American as a previous poster noted. I don't know how many times I've heard of Killian's "Irish Red" referred to as "Coors Extra Gold w/ some caramel coloring added. Maybe my being Irish makes the premise offensive to me, so perhaps I might let another name for this style slide. :) I'd say that Blond Ale / Golden Ale are synonymous and already covered in the style guidelines. And for Rye Beer, I've only ever seen a couple entered in competitions, and they fit nicely into category 24, Specialty / Historical / Experimental. Oh yeah, one other substyle I've been personally brewing and advocating in the New England area for a few years would be "Sticke" Altbier in category 8. For those of you unfamiliar with Sticke ("secret") Alt or "Latzenbier" ("beer from the wood") as Schumacher in Duesseldorf calls it, it is a higher gravity, more highly hopped and often dry-hopped Duesseldorfer Alt. Alt brewers in Duesseldorf make it only in small quantities for special occaisions. I've never had a "real" one, but I've brewed it them a few times (1.060-1.066 O.G.) and entered them in both the D. Alt catergory and in the Spec./Hist./Ex. category as a "Sticke". I've actually received much positive feedback from entering it in both categories. The only negative feedback I ever got once was that it was "too big" for a D. Alt, which by all rights it certainly is. The fact that I only saw such a comment once lends creedence to the old "slightly bigger is better" theory of which beers score higher in some categories. In the past year or so, I've seen other area brewers start entering "sticke" alts into competitions as well. It is such a nice style of beer, I'm surprised I don't have any at home right now (must have drank and/or entered it all!). I'll gladly attempt to put together a comprehensive substyle guideline (Aroma, Appearance, Flavor, Mouthfeel, Overall, History/comments, specs) for Sticke Altbier if there is any interest in seeing this sub-style added. Cheers, -John Doherty Boston Wort Processors Lakeville, MA > From: David Houseman Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:47:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: Additional Styles > > With all the discussions on various styles NOT present in the style guide, I > was wondering if anyone is keeping a running list of these? As I recall > there are currently 4 that were discussed (although I may have missed some): > West Coast Stout, Irish Ale, Blond Ale and Rye (beers -- ale? lager?). Any > that were missed. I'd like to keep a running list going and ask for > specific input for the style descriptions of these. If anyone sends me > their view of these style descriptions, please put this in the form of the > current guide (Aroma, Appearance, Flavor, Mouthfeel, Overall, > History/comments, specs). > > David Houseman > housemanfam`at`earthlink.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web14505.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.224.68]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC50424295A6 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20020206152534.95802.qmail`at`web14505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.127.8.254] by web14505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:25:34 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Moore Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: More Missing Styles To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Some other styles that I have seen discussed that are missing: 1)West Coast Porter - Some friends from the NW have convinced me that this exists and is common, although I am not familiar with them. Pretty much the same concept as the West Coast Stout. The hops become more dominant in flavor and aroma then would usualy be considered to style in a porter where the roast and malt should always play the lead. 2)Baltic Porter - A new addition in the Barley Wine and Imperial Stout Category, or the Porter Category, a tough call. I could even see it going in the Bock cat. Thinking more of incompassing the larger Baltics that clearly are outside the Porter category, like the Polish varieties, 1.065-1.100, lager yeast, munich malt, adjuncts, and thick. 3) American Malt Liqour - Lets bring it back! 4) American IPA/British IPA seperation - This is not needed for the entrants to have a place to fit their beers, but instead for the judges. Trying to judge a modest gravity, estery, and british hop balanced IPA after having someones Alpha King clone is just a joke. We need to break these up to protect our pallets. I have noticed a real domination by American IPAs in comps, and I think this is why. Nathan Moore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5052429A73 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:27:10 -0500 Received: from HILBERT ([64.174.106.246]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GR500AKB2G5PN`at`mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:16:48 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Serving Specs (not severing, I hope) (John C. Tull) In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message John I would have emailed you personally but I don't have your email. I must have looked at that 10 times before I sent it. Yes Serving .. I had to laugh it was a good one. Someone needs to add a "meaning checker" to go through your mail and ask "are you sure you mean this?" Steve sc`at`vcc.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57-- --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57-- Subject: Digest for the period 2/6/02 - 2/7/02 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 01:04:40 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57" --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- New Styles (Mark Tumarkin) CARBOY Shamrock Open - March 16, 2002 (Mike Dixon) Possible beer styles to be added to the guidelines (John B. Doherty) More Missing Styles (Nathan Moore) Re: Serving Specs (not severing, I hope) (John C. Tull) (Steve Casselman) --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57" --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC50414294BC for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:08:57 -0500 Received: from 1cust164.tnt4.gainesville.fl.da.uu.net ([63.39.13.164] helo=markt) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YSkp-0006ig-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: <006401c1af17$c0b6d240$d4fa1a3f`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: New Styles Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:08:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The discussion of Steve's (and other's) style mapping is apparently quite interesting to many of us. The idea of holes in Beer space is intriguing, especially for the creative homebrewer looking to try something different. And there also seems to be a number of people that feel it may be time for hoppy stouts/porters, Irish Red ales, etc to be added to the style guide. As I understand it, a new style would be added (or an old one removed) based on the number of entries being received in homebrew competitions. I'd asked earlier (with no response) if we have any mechanism for tracking the numbers of entries being received. I suspect the answer is no. It might be a good idea to ask organizers to send us information on the entries they receive in Category 24 (Specialty, Experimental, Historical). Even if not all organizers respond, it would give us at least some data to use as a basis for these decisions. Mark Tumarkin mark_t`at`ix.netcom.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pluto.portbridge.com ([209.170.128.13]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5041429508 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:43:12 -0500 Received: from miked (dialup-66-109-75-37.horizons.net [66.109.75.37] (may be forged)) by pluto.portbridge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28856 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00de01c1af1b$5ff42c60$0300a8c0`at`miked> From: "Mike Dixon" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: CARBOY Shamrock Open - March 16, 2002 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:34:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message To all potential entrants, stewards, and judges... The 6th Annual Carboy Shamrock Open Hombrew Competition will be held March 16, 2002 at the BB&Y Restaurant in Raleigh, NC. The competition is registered with the BJCP, and is a qualifying event for NCBoY. Entry deadline is March 10, 2002 at 5 pm. Online entries are preferred. Entry rules and information can be found at http://www.hbd.org/carboy/shamrock.htm A raffle is also being planned, and lunch is provided for judges and stewards. Please contact mpdixon`at`ipass.net with any questions or to sign up as a judge or steward. Cheers, Mike --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web20401.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.120]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5042429535 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20020206151212.80038.qmail`at`web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.245.160.2] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:12:12 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: "John B. Doherty" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Possible beer styles to be added to the guidelines To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I'd certainly like to see the IPA category divided between English Style and American Style. It was done with the Barleywine guidelines, and I believe that many of the differences between the two barleywine substyles are also relevant to the differences between the proposed IPA substyles. This to me is an obvious choice for addition, especially since I've seen numerous entrants (including myself) specifying American or British in the Special Ingredients field on the entry forms. It really helps the judges, I believe, to know whether they're looking for a highly bittered "grapefruit" IPA or a moderately high bittered and floral Goldings IPA. Another substyle which I'd like to see is "Strong Ale" in category 11. I'm envisioning something to catch those higher gravity British Ales that don't quite fit as an Old Ale. I've seen some wonderful beers entered as Old Ales score lower than they maybe should have because they were considered "too young" or too hoppy for an Old Ale. This is likely due to the fact that the current style guidelines decree "hop aroma not usually present... hop variety is not as important...", make no mention of hop flavor at all in an Old Ale, and mention "oxidation" (sherry, port & Madeira) twice! So to summarize, I'm envisioning something along the same gravity lines (maybe towards the lower end) as Old Ale / Wee Heavy, more hop character than either, less hop character than any IPA, "younger" and nowhere near as oxidized as Old Ale, and not as thickly malty as a Wee Heavy. I'd have to say that Young's Winter Warmer (listed as a commercial example of an Old Ale) would actually fit better as a Strong Ale when it is consumed "fresh", as it initially lacks the oxidation and still has hop character. I've also heard minor grumblings about the removal of the Dutch / Scandinavian Pilsner subcategory of Euro Light Lager in the last guideline revision, but only minor ones. But not too many people brew Euro Lagers with corn or rice adjuncts, I guess. Regarding the 4 suggestions which Dave lists below, I only feel the need to examine the West Coast Stout, or as I would like to see it called, simply American Stout (A la the American Brown Ale substyle). Irish Ale simply isn't Irish, but American as a previous poster noted. I don't know how many times I've heard of Killian's "Irish Red" referred to as "Coors Extra Gold w/ some caramel coloring added. Maybe my being Irish makes the premise offensive to me, so perhaps I might let another name for this style slide. :) I'd say that Blond Ale / Golden Ale are synonymous and already covered in the style guidelines. And for Rye Beer, I've only ever seen a couple entered in competitions, and they fit nicely into category 24, Specialty / Historical / Experimental. Oh yeah, one other substyle I've been personally brewing and advocating in the New England area for a few years would be "Sticke" Altbier in category 8. For those of you unfamiliar with Sticke ("secret") Alt or "Latzenbier" ("beer from the wood") as Schumacher in Duesseldorf calls it, it is a higher gravity, more highly hopped and often dry-hopped Duesseldorfer Alt. Alt brewers in Duesseldorf make it only in small quantities for special occaisions. I've never had a "real" one, but I've brewed it them a few times (1.060-1.066 O.G.) and entered them in both the D. Alt catergory and in the Spec./Hist./Ex. category as a "Sticke". I've actually received much positive feedback from entering it in both categories. The only negative feedback I ever got once was that it was "too big" for a D. Alt, which by all rights it certainly is. The fact that I only saw such a comment once lends creedence to the old "slightly bigger is better" theory of which beers score higher in some categories. In the past year or so, I've seen other area brewers start entering "sticke" alts into competitions as well. It is such a nice style of beer, I'm surprised I don't have any at home right now (must have drank and/or entered it all!). I'll gladly attempt to put together a comprehensive substyle guideline (Aroma, Appearance, Flavor, Mouthfeel, Overall, History/comments, specs) for Sticke Altbier if there is any interest in seeing this sub-style added. Cheers, -John Doherty Boston Wort Processors Lakeville, MA > From: David Houseman Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:47:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: Additional Styles > > With all the discussions on various styles NOT present in the style guide, I > was wondering if anyone is keeping a running list of these? As I recall > there are currently 4 that were discussed (although I may have missed some): > West Coast Stout, Irish Ale, Blond Ale and Rye (beers -- ale? lager?). Any > that were missed. I'd like to keep a running list going and ask for > specific input for the style descriptions of these. If anyone sends me > their view of these style descriptions, please put this in the form of the > current guide (Aroma, Appearance, Flavor, Mouthfeel, Overall, > History/comments, specs). > > David Houseman > housemanfam`at`earthlink.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web14505.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.224.68]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC50424295A6 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20020206152534.95802.qmail`at`web14505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.127.8.254] by web14505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:25:34 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan Moore Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: More Missing Styles To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Some other styles that I have seen discussed that are missing: 1)West Coast Porter - Some friends from the NW have convinced me that this exists and is common, although I am not familiar with them. Pretty much the same concept as the West Coast Stout. The hops become more dominant in flavor and aroma then would usualy be considered to style in a porter where the roast and malt should always play the lead. 2)Baltic Porter - A new addition in the Barley Wine and Imperial Stout Category, or the Porter Category, a tough call. I could even see it going in the Bock cat. Thinking more of incompassing the larger Baltics that clearly are outside the Porter category, like the Polish varieties, 1.065-1.100, lager yeast, munich malt, adjuncts, and thick. 3) American Malt Liqour - Lets bring it back! 4) American IPA/British IPA seperation - This is not needed for the entrants to have a place to fit their beers, but instead for the judges. Trying to judge a modest gravity, estery, and british hop balanced IPA after having someones Alpha King clone is just a joke. We need to break these up to protect our pallets. I have noticed a real domination by American IPAs in comps, and I think this is why. Nathan Moore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC5052429A73 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:27:10 -0500 Received: from HILBERT ([64.174.106.246]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GR500AKB2G5PN`at`mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:16:48 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Serving Specs (not severing, I hope) (John C. Tull) In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message John I would have emailed you personally but I don't have your email. I must have looked at that 10 times before I sent it. Yes Serving .. I had to laugh it was a good one. Someone needs to add a "meaning checker" to go through your mail and ask "are you sure you mean this?" Steve sc`at`vcc.com --Message_Part_SYNC5057429C57-- --Next_Part_SYNC5057429C57--