Subject: Digest for the period 1/30/02 - 1/31/02 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:04:08 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0" --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Beer Style Graphing (Steve Casselman) RE: BJCP vs PPBT (Steve Casselman) Beer Space and Graphing (Peter Torgrimson) The PPBT (Wayne Wambles) Tripel versus Belgian Strong Golden Ale (John C. Tull) re: Plastic Bottles (Mark Tumarkin) IBU Open 2002 (Vernon, Mark) --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0" --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4788422D84 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:35:09 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQK007BOPQGUH`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 71534373F2 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:34:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:30:18 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: RE: Beer Style Graphing In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message You can try this out at http://www.moonbrew.com/moonbrew/beerview/index.html . I have a whole list of improvements that I would like to add some day, and I welcome any comments and suggestions that you might have. I like this. The color make it 2 1/2 dimensions. My input on this is loose the two style guides (or make the second GABF commercial styles), update to current style guide parameters. You have a range for IBUs and OG and one "number" for color. If you could add FG as a third dimension and color the surface from left to right you would just about have all the major variables in one place. I'd then let someone input their data form their beer and have the program place that on screen. You could then say "you should enter this as a xxx style. In some cases you will have over lap so you might come out with "could be entered as xxx or yyy" Looks good. If you want you might open it up as a little "open source" project and if we all like it may it could go up on the BJCP web site.. Steve --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4788422D8B for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:41:49 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQK004H6Q1KMT`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAEC373F2 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:36:58 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: RE: BJCP vs PPBT In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The BJCP should be setting standards for the PPBT, not the other way around. Wayne I have to disagree with this. As a national organization (IMHO) the BJCP should take its time changing the style guide. I think your doing exactly the right thing as a club by trying different things at the local level to see if it works in practice or not. The BJCP styles should reflect ground swells in style and not ripples. If what your doing is good talk about it and if others think it is good you'll have changed the way we judge beers. Steve --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.98]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC47994238ED for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:11:22 -0500 Received: from prodigy.net (adsl-216-62-200-195.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [216.62.200.195]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RCBLM75288 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:11:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3C53EFBF.28240EE`at`prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:17:04 -0600 From: Peter Torgrimson Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Beer Space and Graphing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The two-dimensional example is only the start of this line of thought. Mike Riddle presented a paper on this subject at MCAB3. Summaries of the papers may be viewed at http://www.bayareamashers.org/mcab3/presentations/presentations.htm. Peter Torgrimson Austin, TX --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4826423D3F for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.57.226.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.57.226] helo=beernazimindspring) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VE1h-00052s-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1a815$86edde40$e239313f`at`com> From: "Wayne Wambles" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: The PPBT Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The PPBT stands for the proffessional panel of blind tasting. It is used exclusively for the Great American Beer Festival and for the World Beer Cup as well. I had the honor of using these style guidelines to judge the Best Florida Beer Competition this past weekend. The coverage of styles is more thorough than the BJCP guidelines. For those of you who are interested in these guidelines for the sake of discussion or argument then you may find them at beertown.org. Go to World Beer Cup and then go to style guidelines. On another note the Florida Brewer's Guild Festival went very well this weekend in Tampa. It took place in Centro Ybor and drew as many as 600 participants, which is nothing but a fund raiser for the guild. Lots of good beer to be had. Wayne Wambles Buckhead Brewery and Grille Tallahassee Florida --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4831423E6C for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:13:41 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0SKGe002490 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:16:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:13:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Tripel versus Belgian Strong Golden Ale From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <83EB63E2-142B-11D6-BF9E-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Can anyone elucidate the differences in these 2 styles(tripel and Belgian strong golden ale)? They seem amazingly similar according to the brief style guidlines from BJCP. Both can use spices and sugar, have similar coloration, but the triple has a higher upper on OG. Cheers, John --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC48574244FE for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:23:03 -0500 Received: from 1cust236.tnt6.gainesville.fl.da.uu.net ([63.29.227.236] helo=markt) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VgeX-0004vl-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:22:57 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c1a913$794ac2e0$ece31d3f`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: "JudgeNet Posts" , Subject: re: Plastic Bottles Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:22:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bert Belote writes: "When are you all gonna make plastic bottles acceptable in AHA sanctioned competitions? If you have no future plans to, why not? Sure would be easier to ship them, less packaging and all, lighter weight. Might save a few pennies on shipping. Plastic bottles would probably take delivery persons handling a lot better also. I'm not saying not to use glass but if some of us could use plastic beer bottles, why not?" I think this is an excellent idea that we should consider. The main attraction to me is that the bottles would be almost unbreakable in shipping. I doubt that you'd actually save much on shipping though, unless you were shipping a large number of entries. The main problem would be that plastic bottles are not real common yet. They would have to be plain bottles with paper labels that can be removed. Remember that the reason for requiring plain bottles is to maintain anonymity for impartial judging. You don't want someone to be able to recognize the bottles as being those sent by a particular brewer. But as the plastic bottles become more widely used this should become less of an issue. Good creative thinking, we can certainly talk about it on the Board of Advisors. I'll also send this on to JudgeNet for consideration by the BJCP. Mark Tumarkin Gainesville, FL AHA Board of Advisors --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mhub16.lvs.dupont.com ([52.128.30.9]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC48764249C1 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:47:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from mhub14.lvs.dupont.com by mhub16.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:47:44 -0500 Received: from orion.phibred.com by mhub14.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:32:09 -0500 Received: by orion.phibred.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:32:07 -0600 Message-Id: From: "Vernon, Mark" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: IBU Open 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:32:05 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Iowa Brewers Union Open Homebrew Competition 2002 Judging: Saturday, March 9th, 2002 Entry Deadline: Sunday, March 3rd, 2002 Competition Specific Category: IBU Challenge. For you hopheads, the only requirement of this category is the beer must have 1 IBU per 1 OG point. Example: 1.045 O.G. must contain no less than 45 IBUs of Hops. Entries must be received by 7:00pm Sunday, March 3rd 2002. Ship to the address below or drop off at local sites. Edwards Graphic Arts Attn: Mike Edwards 2700 Bell Ave Des Moines, IA 50321 515 280-9765 All Beer Judge Certification Program (BJCP) styles will be accepted - including meads and ciders. The Director of Judging may combine categories if necessary. Go to www.iowabrewersunion.org/events.htm to see complete rules. We are a qualifying event for the Great Plains Brewer of the Year Mark Vernon --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0-- --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/30/02 - 1/31/02 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:04:08 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0" --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Beer Style Graphing (Steve Casselman) RE: BJCP vs PPBT (Steve Casselman) Beer Space and Graphing (Peter Torgrimson) The PPBT (Wayne Wambles) Tripel versus Belgian Strong Golden Ale (John C. Tull) re: Plastic Bottles (Mark Tumarkin) IBU Open 2002 (Vernon, Mark) --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0" --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4788422D84 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:35:09 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQK007BOPQGUH`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 71534373F2 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:34:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:30:18 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: RE: Beer Style Graphing In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message You can try this out at http://www.moonbrew.com/moonbrew/beerview/index.html . I have a whole list of improvements that I would like to add some day, and I welcome any comments and suggestions that you might have. I like this. The color make it 2 1/2 dimensions. My input on this is loose the two style guides (or make the second GABF commercial styles), update to current style guide parameters. You have a range for IBUs and OG and one "number" for color. If you could add FG as a third dimension and color the surface from left to right you would just about have all the major variables in one place. I'd then let someone input their data form their beer and have the program place that on screen. You could then say "you should enter this as a xxx style. In some cases you will have over lap so you might come out with "could be entered as xxx or yyy" Looks good. If you want you might open it up as a little "open source" project and if we all like it may it could go up on the BJCP web site.. Steve --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4788422D8B for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:41:49 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQK004H6Q1KMT`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAEC373F2 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:36:58 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: RE: BJCP vs PPBT In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The BJCP should be setting standards for the PPBT, not the other way around. Wayne I have to disagree with this. As a national organization (IMHO) the BJCP should take its time changing the style guide. I think your doing exactly the right thing as a club by trying different things at the local level to see if it works in practice or not. The BJCP styles should reflect ground swells in style and not ripples. If what your doing is good talk about it and if others think it is good you'll have changed the way we judge beers. Steve --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.98]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC47994238ED for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:11:22 -0500 Received: from prodigy.net (adsl-216-62-200-195.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [216.62.200.195]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RCBLM75288 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:11:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3C53EFBF.28240EE`at`prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:17:04 -0600 From: Peter Torgrimson Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Beer Space and Graphing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The two-dimensional example is only the start of this line of thought. Mike Riddle presented a paper on this subject at MCAB3. Summaries of the papers may be viewed at http://www.bayareamashers.org/mcab3/presentations/presentations.htm. Peter Torgrimson Austin, TX --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4826423D3F for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.57.226.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.57.226] helo=beernazimindspring) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VE1h-00052s-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1a815$86edde40$e239313f`at`com> From: "Wayne Wambles" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: The PPBT Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message The PPBT stands for the proffessional panel of blind tasting. It is used exclusively for the Great American Beer Festival and for the World Beer Cup as well. I had the honor of using these style guidelines to judge the Best Florida Beer Competition this past weekend. The coverage of styles is more thorough than the BJCP guidelines. For those of you who are interested in these guidelines for the sake of discussion or argument then you may find them at beertown.org. Go to World Beer Cup and then go to style guidelines. On another note the Florida Brewer's Guild Festival went very well this weekend in Tampa. It took place in Centro Ybor and drew as many as 600 participants, which is nothing but a fund raiser for the guild. Lots of good beer to be had. Wayne Wambles Buckhead Brewery and Grille Tallahassee Florida --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from equinox.unr.edu ([134.197.1.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4831423E6C for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:13:41 -0500 Received: from jctull.biology.unr.edu (jctull.biology.unr.edu [134.197.55.114]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0SKGe002490 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:16:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:13:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Tripel versus Belgian Strong Golden Ale From: "John C. Tull" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <83EB63E2-142B-11D6-BF9E-0030656E0756`at`unr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Can anyone elucidate the differences in these 2 styles(tripel and Belgian strong golden ale)? They seem amazingly similar according to the brief style guidlines from BJCP. Both can use spices and sugar, have similar coloration, but the triple has a higher upper on OG. Cheers, John --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC48574244FE for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:23:03 -0500 Received: from 1cust236.tnt6.gainesville.fl.da.uu.net ([63.29.227.236] helo=markt) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VgeX-0004vl-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:22:57 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c1a913$794ac2e0$ece31d3f`at`markt> From: "Mark Tumarkin" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: "JudgeNet Posts" , Subject: re: Plastic Bottles Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:22:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Bert Belote writes: "When are you all gonna make plastic bottles acceptable in AHA sanctioned competitions? If you have no future plans to, why not? Sure would be easier to ship them, less packaging and all, lighter weight. Might save a few pennies on shipping. Plastic bottles would probably take delivery persons handling a lot better also. I'm not saying not to use glass but if some of us could use plastic beer bottles, why not?" I think this is an excellent idea that we should consider. The main attraction to me is that the bottles would be almost unbreakable in shipping. I doubt that you'd actually save much on shipping though, unless you were shipping a large number of entries. The main problem would be that plastic bottles are not real common yet. They would have to be plain bottles with paper labels that can be removed. Remember that the reason for requiring plain bottles is to maintain anonymity for impartial judging. You don't want someone to be able to recognize the bottles as being those sent by a particular brewer. But as the plastic bottles become more widely used this should become less of an issue. Good creative thinking, we can certainly talk about it on the Board of Advisors. I'll also send this on to JudgeNet for consideration by the BJCP. Mark Tumarkin Gainesville, FL AHA Board of Advisors --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mhub16.lvs.dupont.com ([52.128.30.9]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC48764249C1 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:47:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from mhub14.lvs.dupont.com by mhub16.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:47:44 -0500 Received: from orion.phibred.com by mhub14.lvs.dupont.com with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:32:09 -0500 Received: by orion.phibred.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:32:07 -0600 Message-Id: From: "Vernon, Mark" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: IBU Open 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:32:05 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Iowa Brewers Union Open Homebrew Competition 2002 Judging: Saturday, March 9th, 2002 Entry Deadline: Sunday, March 3rd, 2002 Competition Specific Category: IBU Challenge. For you hopheads, the only requirement of this category is the beer must have 1 IBU per 1 OG point. Example: 1.045 O.G. must contain no less than 45 IBUs of Hops. Entries must be received by 7:00pm Sunday, March 3rd 2002. Ship to the address below or drop off at local sites. Edwards Graphic Arts Attn: Mike Edwards 2700 Bell Ave Des Moines, IA 50321 515 280-9765 All Beer Judge Certification Program (BJCP) styles will be accepted - including meads and ciders. The Director of Judging may combine categories if necessary. Go to www.iowabrewersunion.org/events.htm to see complete rules. We are a qualifying event for the Great Plains Brewer of the Year Mark Vernon --Message_Part_SYNC4889424CA0-- --Next_Part_SYNC4889424CA0--