Subject: Digest for the period 1/26/02 - 1/27/02 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:05:01 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A" --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Digest for the period 1/25/02 - 1/26/02 (Stephen Murphrey) PPBT? (Bill Wible) Re: Digest for the period 1/24/02 - 1/25/02 (Lyle C. Brown) --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A" --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from prserv.net ([32.97.166.32]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC47714229FC for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:54:01 -0500 Received: from swmurpha (slip-12-64-128-11.mis.prserv.net[12.64.128.11]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2002012608535320205epkbde>; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:53:53 +0000 From: "Stephen Murphrey" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/25/02 - 1/26/02 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Subject: Beer Style Graphing Keith Looney wrote a Java program which displays beer styles graphically with IBU's plotted against starting gravity. A long time ago, Al Kinchen created a paper graph similar to Keith's program's output that he used in a BJCP-exam study session. Al's graph was much like Keith's, except that it created a rectangle (instead of a point) for each style. The rectangle covered the whole range of gravity and IBU, as defined by the style guideline. He used it to compare Bitter, Classic Pale Ale, and India Pale Ale. I found that seeing how the 3 rectangles overlap for these related styles was quite interesting. Steve Murphrey --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4778422B6E for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:19:19 -0500 Received: from [64.80.74.84] (ppp-ptc-pm3-07-036.fiberlynx.net [64.80.74.84]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0QFIqk21393 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:18:53 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:19:19 -0500 Subject: PPBT? From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Wayne, For those of us who are unfamiliar with the PPBT, can you tell us what those letters stand for and what that is? Thanks! Bill --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4778422BDF for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:33:10 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6me32Lld3wvprRdE7hXtYy+7j2tincn41/A=="> Received: (from beerking1`at`juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GR4DUN4S; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:32:01 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge`at`synchro.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:21:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/24/02 - 1/25/02 Message-ID: <20020126.103142.896.2.beerking1`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-32,37-40,43-45 From: "Lyle C. Brown" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:02:26 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Steve Casselman writes: > > This is a little tongue-in-cheek but I have a degree in mathematics > and the > way I look at each style is kind of like a vector.. so if a point in > space is > (x,y,z) a point in beer space is (IBUs,SRMs,FG,OG...) put as many > different > variables as you want. After that you do that you define a "metric" > or > distance formula. It usually something like > > given Beer1 = (IBU1, SRM1, ...) > and Beer2 = (IBU2, SRM2, ...) > > The distance between them is (here is where you make something up:) > > |IBU1 - IBU2| + |SRM1 - SRM2| ... (reads the absolute value of IBU1 > - IBU2 > plus ...) > > > Once you have a number you can talk about the "distance between" > beer or the > range of a beer style. > > Steve > > > > Tongue in cheek, as Steve admits (and as a physicist I really enjoyed it. Remember, all higher math was invented by physicists), but an interesting point can be found in Steve's formulae. Note that the variety of hops is not needed to "talk about the 'distance between' beer or the range of a beer style." ;) P.S. It is kind of nice to see a lighthearted, yet serious, discussion about BEER, without any flames or other personal comments. (I know, here they come now!) Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A-- --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/26/02 - 1/27/02 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:05:01 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A" --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Digest for the period 1/25/02 - 1/26/02 (Stephen Murphrey) PPBT? (Bill Wible) Re: Digest for the period 1/24/02 - 1/25/02 (Lyle C. Brown) --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A" --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from prserv.net ([32.97.166.32]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC47714229FC for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:54:01 -0500 Received: from swmurpha (slip-12-64-128-11.mis.prserv.net[12.64.128.11]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2002012608535320205epkbde>; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:53:53 +0000 From: "Stephen Murphrey" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/25/02 - 1/26/02 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Subject: Beer Style Graphing Keith Looney wrote a Java program which displays beer styles graphically with IBU's plotted against starting gravity. A long time ago, Al Kinchen created a paper graph similar to Keith's program's output that he used in a BJCP-exam study session. Al's graph was much like Keith's, except that it created a rectangle (instead of a point) for each style. The rectangle covered the whole range of gravity and IBU, as defined by the style guideline. He used it to compare Bitter, Classic Pale Ale, and India Pale Ale. I found that seeing how the 3 rectangles overlap for these related styles was quite interesting. Steve Murphrey --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4778422B6E for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:19:19 -0500 Received: from [64.80.74.84] (ppp-ptc-pm3-07-036.fiberlynx.net [64.80.74.84]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0QFIqk21393 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:18:53 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:19:19 -0500 Subject: PPBT? From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Wayne, For those of us who are unfamiliar with the PPBT, can you tell us what those letters stand for and what that is? Thanks! Bill --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4778422BDF for judge`at`synchro.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:33:10 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6me32Lld3wvprRdE7hXtYy+7j2tincn41/A=="> Received: (from beerking1`at`juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GR4DUN4S; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:32:01 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge`at`synchro.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:21:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/24/02 - 1/25/02 Message-ID: <20020126.103142.896.2.beerking1`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-32,37-40,43-45 From: "Lyle C. Brown" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:02:26 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Steve Casselman writes: > > This is a little tongue-in-cheek but I have a degree in mathematics > and the > way I look at each style is kind of like a vector.. so if a point in > space is > (x,y,z) a point in beer space is (IBUs,SRMs,FG,OG...) put as many > different > variables as you want. After that you do that you define a "metric" > or > distance formula. It usually something like > > given Beer1 = (IBU1, SRM1, ...) > and Beer2 = (IBU2, SRM2, ...) > > The distance between them is (here is where you make something up:) > > |IBU1 - IBU2| + |SRM1 - SRM2| ... (reads the absolute value of IBU1 > - IBU2 > plus ...) > > > Once you have a number you can talk about the "distance between" > beer or the > range of a beer style. > > Steve > > > > Tongue in cheek, as Steve admits (and as a physicist I really enjoyed it. Remember, all higher math was invented by physicists), but an interesting point can be found in Steve's formulae. Note that the variety of hops is not needed to "talk about the 'distance between' beer or the range of a beer style." ;) P.S. It is kind of nice to see a lighthearted, yet serious, discussion about BEER, without any flames or other personal comments. (I know, here they come now!) Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC4793422E0A-- --Next_Part_SYNC4793422E0A--