Subject: Digest for the period 1/21/02 - 1/22/02 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:01:05 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5" --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 (Dwight Bradish) Hop varieties (Lyle C. Brown) Re: Competition schedule listing (Ed Westemeier) --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5" --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from saclink2.csus.edu ([130.86.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC463841F4BE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:08:55 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (dialup1-192.csus.edu) by saclink2.csus.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA200543729; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:50 -0800 From: "Dwight Bradish" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:15:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20020119.200803.4008.1.beerking1`at`juno.com> Importance: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Well, if it is in the finest city in America, it must be in Sacramento, California! (Ha, Ha, Ha) -----Original Message----- From: judge`at`synchro.com [mailto:judge at synchro.com]On Behalf Of Lyle C. Brown Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:56 PM To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: brdrbru`at`home.com; rbarnes at sdccd.cc.ca.us Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:03:50 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: Dion Hollenbeck Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:02:19 -0800 >Subject: AFCHBC Call for Judges > > >First Call For Judges!! > >8th Annual America's Finest City Homebrew Competition > >Main Judging: Saturday, March 2, 2002 >Supplementary Judging: Friday, March 1, 2002 > >Please join us in evaulating some of the finest beer in America. >Details to follow later. Please reserve space on your calendar for this >fine event. > >For More Information Contact: Would be nice to have some clue what city (or even state!) this is in! Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC464841F637 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:31 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mcZCda6ospsIsdS4iZK6PsODD8q5WEiCPA=="> Received: (from beerking1`at`juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRNE9PSA; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:14 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:25 -0500 Subject: Hop varieties Message-ID: <20020121.002725.1884.0.beerking1`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,20-21,35-37 From: "Lyle C. Brown" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message There have been several discussions lately about regional designations based on hop varieties. SUch as the recent thread about "West COast Stout" and the new thread about American vs. English Barley Wines. I general, I am against these specific designations. If a specific hop variety works well in a beer, without violating the real "spirit" (for lack of a better term) or a particular style, the answer should be that our guidelines are to rigid (and therefore not "guidelines," but "requirements") and we truly are becoming "style Nazis." The "West Coast Stout" is a perfect example. There are plenty of commercial stouts with Cascade (and other) hops, including some English-made stouts. Should all these be forced to change their names and style designations because we judges are too narrow minded to consider whether a beer tastes good, and whether what is used works well or not? Carry this a step further, and you may as well send recipes to each potential entrant, and require him/her to use only "approved" recipes. Would this also require us to designate a New Zealand Stout and an Australian Stout if the brewer used mostly hops from these areas (which are quite unique themselves, as anyone who has used Pride of Ringwood knows)? What about a brewer who uses Bramling Cross hops? (these hops are from British Columbia, the WEST COAST region of Canada.) Also, regarding American vs British Barleywines: Tyce Heldenbrand states " know several brewers including myself that brew a very big English Barleywine with the gravity hitting 1.15 to 1.20." No offense meant here, but just because a few homebrewers make a beer to a particular way, even judges, doesn't "make" a new style. My point is moot if Tyce is a professional brewer, but only marginally so. Tyce further states "The difference between English and American Barleywines should be hop varieties and possibly yeast strain." Again, back to the hops. There should be no specific requirements for a particular hop for barleywines, although some will obviously work better than others. Certainly, one would question the use of cascade in a pilsner, but still, the question should be whether or not the result "works," and whether it meets that subtle Pilsner-ness we should be looking for. As JUDGES, we must use our educated palates, and our best JUDGEment when scoring a beer. Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC465741FBF4 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:19:11 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003ohcincp063.dialsprint.net ([158.252.0.47]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SfHx-0005jr-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:19:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: machops`at`mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:19:23 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Ed Westemeier Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Competition schedule listing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Lyle C. Brown wrote: > >Would be nice to have some clue what city (or even state!) this is in! This seems to be a problem from time to time. Although the "America's Finest City" competition (San Diego, by the way) was registered with us last year, I can't find any record of its registration this year. However, for those who would like to look up scheduled competitions in search of a place to earn BJCP judging experience points, we maintain a list on our website. For a little while now, we have been listing both BJCP and AHA registered competitions, showing dates, locations, and contact information. Please see http://www.bjcp.org/compsch.html for the current list. It's kept as up-to-date as we can make it. -- Ed Westemeier --- hopfen`at`malz.com communication_director`at`bjcp.org --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5-- --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/21/02 - 1/22/02 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:01:05 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5" --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 (Dwight Bradish) Hop varieties (Lyle C. Brown) Re: Competition schedule listing (Ed Westemeier) --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5" --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from saclink2.csus.edu ([130.86.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC463841F4BE for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:08:55 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (dialup1-192.csus.edu) by saclink2.csus.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA200543729; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:50 -0800 From: "Dwight Bradish" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:15:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20020119.200803.4008.1.beerking1`at`juno.com> Importance: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Well, if it is in the finest city in America, it must be in Sacramento, California! (Ha, Ha, Ha) -----Original Message----- From: judge`at`synchro.com [mailto:judge at synchro.com]On Behalf Of Lyle C. Brown Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:56 PM To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: brdrbru`at`home.com; rbarnes at sdccd.cc.ca.us Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/16/02 - 1/17/02 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:03:50 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: Dion Hollenbeck Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:02:19 -0800 >Subject: AFCHBC Call for Judges > > >First Call For Judges!! > >8th Annual America's Finest City Homebrew Competition > >Main Judging: Saturday, March 2, 2002 >Supplementary Judging: Friday, March 1, 2002 > >Please join us in evaulating some of the finest beer in America. >Details to follow later. Please reserve space on your calendar for this >fine event. > >For More Information Contact: Would be nice to have some clue what city (or even state!) this is in! Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC464841F637 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:31 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mcZCda6ospsIsdS4iZK6PsODD8q5WEiCPA=="> Received: (from beerking1`at`juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRNE9PSA; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:14 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:27:25 -0500 Subject: Hop varieties Message-ID: <20020121.002725.1884.0.beerking1`at`juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,20-21,35-37 From: "Lyle C. Brown" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message There have been several discussions lately about regional designations based on hop varieties. SUch as the recent thread about "West COast Stout" and the new thread about American vs. English Barley Wines. I general, I am against these specific designations. If a specific hop variety works well in a beer, without violating the real "spirit" (for lack of a better term) or a particular style, the answer should be that our guidelines are to rigid (and therefore not "guidelines," but "requirements") and we truly are becoming "style Nazis." The "West Coast Stout" is a perfect example. There are plenty of commercial stouts with Cascade (and other) hops, including some English-made stouts. Should all these be forced to change their names and style designations because we judges are too narrow minded to consider whether a beer tastes good, and whether what is used works well or not? Carry this a step further, and you may as well send recipes to each potential entrant, and require him/her to use only "approved" recipes. Would this also require us to designate a New Zealand Stout and an Australian Stout if the brewer used mostly hops from these areas (which are quite unique themselves, as anyone who has used Pride of Ringwood knows)? What about a brewer who uses Bramling Cross hops? (these hops are from British Columbia, the WEST COAST region of Canada.) Also, regarding American vs British Barleywines: Tyce Heldenbrand states " know several brewers including myself that brew a very big English Barleywine with the gravity hitting 1.15 to 1.20." No offense meant here, but just because a few homebrewers make a beer to a particular way, even judges, doesn't "make" a new style. My point is moot if Tyce is a professional brewer, but only marginally so. Tyce further states "The difference between English and American Barleywines should be hop varieties and possibly yeast strain." Again, back to the hops. There should be no specific requirements for a particular hop for barleywines, although some will obviously work better than others. Certainly, one would question the use of cascade in a pilsner, but still, the question should be whether or not the result "works," and whether it meets that subtle Pilsner-ness we should be looking for. As JUDGES, we must use our educated palates, and our best JUDGEment when scoring a beer. Lyle C. Brown --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC465741FBF4 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:19:11 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003ohcincp063.dialsprint.net ([158.252.0.47]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SfHx-0005jr-00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:19:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: machops`at`mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:19:23 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Ed Westemeier Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Competition schedule listing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Lyle C. Brown wrote: > >Would be nice to have some clue what city (or even state!) this is in! This seems to be a problem from time to time. Although the "America's Finest City" competition (San Diego, by the way) was registered with us last year, I can't find any record of its registration this year. However, for those who would like to look up scheduled competitions in search of a place to earn BJCP judging experience points, we maintain a list on our website. For a little while now, we have been listing both BJCP and AHA registered competitions, showing dates, locations, and contact information. Please see http://www.bjcp.org/compsch.html for the current list. It's kept as up-to-date as we can make it. -- Ed Westemeier --- hopfen`at`malz.com communication_director`at`bjcp.org --Message_Part_SYNC46734200D5-- --Next_Part_SYNC46734200D5--