Subject: Digest for the period 1/9/02 - 1/10/02 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:04:41 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4385418782" --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Zymurgy Index (Ted Hausotter) Re: Zymurgy for Beginners (Bill Wible) --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4385418782" --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.33.3]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4338417B47 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:40:11 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:40:04 -0800 Received: from 209.63.112.128 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:40:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.63.112.128] From: "Ted Hausotter" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Bcc: Subject: Re: Zymurgy Index Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:40:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 07:40:04.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFFE6880:01C19817] X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I have just completed an index to the last 5 years of Zymurgy. I did take the liberty to leave out info that I felt was not very specific and my apologies for misspells and shortening up your name. It should be a great help in finding articles. I know it has for me. You can download it off the Strange Brew club site http://members.aol.com/slurpnburpor It is in Excell format and a live file so you can reformat to your needs Ted Hausotter Dundee,Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4372418525 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:45:32 -0500 Received: from [64.80.86.193] (ppp-086-193.verio.axs2000.net [64.80.86.193]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g09HjLa20778 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:45:22 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:45:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Zymurgy for Beginners From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message >From: Paul Gatza Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:16 -0700 >Subject: Zymurgy for Beginners Advertising > >Hi all. Here is some clarification on advertising in Zymurgy for Beginners. >We opened up advertising in Zymurgy for Beginners to homebrew supply >manufacturers, distributors and wholesalers. For a manufacturer, distributor >or wholesaler that also has a storefront, we made the decision that the >store could not be advertised, but that the specific products that qualified >the business for inclusion in the issue could be. We excluded mail order >operations and stores that did not meet these guidelines because we want >shops to distribute the issue for free, which, if I was still a shop owner, >I wouldn't do if it would send business elsewhere. > >In the case of St. Patrick's, the advertising staff and I were under the >impression that St. Patrick's was distributing malts to others in the supply >business. I believed this because of the old distribution flap with Briess, >DeFalco's and St. Patrick's and the exclusive importation of certain malts >by St. Patrick's. It has come to my attention that St. Patrick's may not be >supplying these products except directly to customers. If that is the case, >they would not be invited to advertise in the publication upon reissue >(assuming the criteria remains the same). Actually, Paul, it was recently pointed out to me that St. Pat's has not one, but 2 ads in Zymurgy for Beginners. It seems I missed the second one in the few times I looked at the magazine. There is a 1/3 page ad on the magazine's table of contents on page 2 - the most favorable spot in the publication to have an ad by the way - and this is the one everybody at Zymurgy is claiming is a wholesaler ad. But there is also another ad on page 17 where they are advertising a malt mill for sale. The one on page 17 sure doesn't look like any kind of wholesaler ad to me, it looks like a direct marketing ad, again with their website prominent. So what's the supposed justification on that one? Are you going to tell us that St .Pat's is the sole wholesale distributor of malt mills? And your IF statement with a built in assumption does nothing to reassure me or any of the other stores who were denied advertising in this publication that it won't happen again. In fact, it gives me the impression that you admit nothing, and that more of the same is on the way. Bill --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782-- --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/9/02 - 1/10/02 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:04:41 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC4385418782" --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Zymurgy Index (Ted Hausotter) Re: Zymurgy for Beginners (Bill Wible) --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC4385418782" --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.33.3]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4338417B47 for judge`at`synchro.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:40:11 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:40:04 -0800 Received: from 209.63.112.128 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:40:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.63.112.128] From: "Ted Hausotter" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Bcc: Subject: Re: Zymurgy Index Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:40:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 07:40:04.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFFE6880:01C19817] X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I have just completed an index to the last 5 years of Zymurgy. I did take the liberty to leave out info that I felt was not very specific and my apologies for misspells and shortening up your name. It should be a great help in finding articles. I know it has for me. You can download it off the Strange Brew club site http://members.aol.com/slurpnburpor It is in Excell format and a live file so you can reformat to your needs Ted Hausotter Dundee,Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from diskless7.axs2000.net ([209.120.196.45]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4372418525 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:45:32 -0500 Received: from [64.80.86.193] (ppp-086-193.verio.axs2000.net [64.80.86.193]) by diskless7.axs2000.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g09HjLa20778 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:45:22 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:45:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Zymurgy for Beginners From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message >From: Paul Gatza Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:16 -0700 >Subject: Zymurgy for Beginners Advertising > >Hi all. Here is some clarification on advertising in Zymurgy for Beginners. >We opened up advertising in Zymurgy for Beginners to homebrew supply >manufacturers, distributors and wholesalers. For a manufacturer, distributor >or wholesaler that also has a storefront, we made the decision that the >store could not be advertised, but that the specific products that qualified >the business for inclusion in the issue could be. We excluded mail order >operations and stores that did not meet these guidelines because we want >shops to distribute the issue for free, which, if I was still a shop owner, >I wouldn't do if it would send business elsewhere. > >In the case of St. Patrick's, the advertising staff and I were under the >impression that St. Patrick's was distributing malts to others in the supply >business. I believed this because of the old distribution flap with Briess, >DeFalco's and St. Patrick's and the exclusive importation of certain malts >by St. Patrick's. It has come to my attention that St. Patrick's may not be >supplying these products except directly to customers. If that is the case, >they would not be invited to advertise in the publication upon reissue >(assuming the criteria remains the same). Actually, Paul, it was recently pointed out to me that St. Pat's has not one, but 2 ads in Zymurgy for Beginners. It seems I missed the second one in the few times I looked at the magazine. There is a 1/3 page ad on the magazine's table of contents on page 2 - the most favorable spot in the publication to have an ad by the way - and this is the one everybody at Zymurgy is claiming is a wholesaler ad. But there is also another ad on page 17 where they are advertising a malt mill for sale. The one on page 17 sure doesn't look like any kind of wholesaler ad to me, it looks like a direct marketing ad, again with their website prominent. So what's the supposed justification on that one? Are you going to tell us that St .Pat's is the sole wholesale distributor of malt mills? And your IF statement with a built in assumption does nothing to reassure me or any of the other stores who were denied advertising in this publication that it won't happen again. In fact, it gives me the impression that you admit nothing, and that more of the same is on the way. Bill --Message_Part_SYNC4385418782-- --Next_Part_SYNC4385418782--