Subject: Digest for the period 1/7/02 - 1/8/02 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:02:43 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3" --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Almond (Jeremy Bergsman) Reports Due (Steve Casselman) RE: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 (Lash Chaffin) --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3" --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.133]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4297417126 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:55 -0500 Received: from bergsman.org (ool-182de2e7.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.226.231]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPI00CBSSEAMC`at`mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:04:47 -0500 From: Jeremy Bergsman Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Almond To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <3C38597F.8BF4550D`at`bergsman.org> Organization: Yale University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Artificial almond flavor in my experience is Benzaldehyde. This suggests to me that almond flavor in beer would be the result of oxidation of a higher alcohol, which is consistent with my feeling that nutty is one of the characteristics of oxidized beers. However it is entirely possible as far as I know that another compound or combination of compounds also gives an almond flavor. I personally have never noted an "almond" flavor in a beer. Generally nutty (maybe Brazil nut?) is more common, if still unusual, for me. In this case I believe that it is related, at least in part, to malt in that it is usually darker beers which exhibit this flavor. -- Jeremy Bergsman (New Haven, CT) jeremy`at`bergsman.org http://bergsman.org/jeremy --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC43034171B2 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:50:22 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPJ00JSZB7VCQ`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C62B373F2 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:50:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:45:50 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Reports Due In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I have a few reports I need to post here. I am very busy thought so it will take a few weeks. I need to fill everyone in on the Beer Sommelier Certification Program proposal, I'll post something on the BJCP History from my vantage point (after I do more historical research) and I'll post something about the current climate in the AHA and how that relates to the BJCP. In the mean time it's Sunday and I'll be working all day... Thanks Steve Casselman --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.alphazone.net ([207.91.25.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC432341741A for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from lash (64.21.200.86) by mail.alphazone.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.1) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:40:57 -0600 Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Lash Chaffin" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:32:18 -0600 Message-ID: <51C9F9C38F88D211854300902727AF3803F01F`at`LNM01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <51C9F9C38F88D211854300902727AF380818B9`at`LNM01> X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Almond is a toughie. However, I think that Wyeast American Ale II gives off a slight almond/cherry flavor. This would seem to indicate that almond flavors come from somewhere in the fermentation process as opposed to the mashing or storage process. Just a guess. -----Original Message----- From: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest [mailto:judge`at`synchro.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:03 AM To: Digest Recipients Subject: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 1/3/02 - 1/4/02 (MLR2390`at`aol.com) RE:Almond/Coconut (Houseman, David L) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLR2390`at`aol.com Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:02:25 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/3/02 - 1/4/02 I myself noted a coconut character in the Pipkin Brewing Co's (Louisville, KY) seasonal whiskey barrel aged stout. Mark Roberts Frankfort, KY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Houseman, David L Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:03:41 -0600 Subject: RE:Almond/Coconut Lyle's correct; that was two questions. There was a question elsewhere about the almond flavor recently and it's not one I've come across, although I suspect some nutty, sherry notes could be sensed as almond and thus this might be a form of oxidation. Coconut I knew the answer to (at least I think I do) in that it is a form of oxidation, when not intentionally added (as in the excellent toasted coconut porter that won BOS in the NHC a few years ago). Any other thoughts on unintentional almond aroma and flavor? Dave Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3-- --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/7/02 - 1/8/02 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:02:43 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3" --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Almond (Jeremy Bergsman) Reports Due (Steve Casselman) RE: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 (Lash Chaffin) --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3" --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.133]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4297417126 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:55 -0500 Received: from bergsman.org (ool-182de2e7.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.226.231]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPI00CBSSEAMC`at`mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:04:47 -0500 From: Jeremy Bergsman Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Almond To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <3C38597F.8BF4550D`at`bergsman.org> Organization: Yale University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Artificial almond flavor in my experience is Benzaldehyde. This suggests to me that almond flavor in beer would be the result of oxidation of a higher alcohol, which is consistent with my feeling that nutty is one of the characteristics of oxidized beers. However it is entirely possible as far as I know that another compound or combination of compounds also gives an almond flavor. I personally have never noted an "almond" flavor in a beer. Generally nutty (maybe Brazil nut?) is more common, if still unusual, for me. In this case I believe that it is related, at least in part, to malt in that it is usually darker beers which exhibit this flavor. -- Jeremy Bergsman (New Haven, CT) jeremy`at`bergsman.org http://bergsman.org/jeremy --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC43034171B2 for judge`at`synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:50:22 -0500 Received: from mail2.vcc.com ([64.174.106.246]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPJ00JSZB7VCQ`at`mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from HILBERT (hilbert [192.168.0.153]) by mail2.vcc.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C62B373F2 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:50:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:45:50 -0800 From: Steve Casselman Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Reports Due In-reply-to: To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I have a few reports I need to post here. I am very busy thought so it will take a few weeks. I need to fill everyone in on the Beer Sommelier Certification Program proposal, I'll post something on the BJCP History from my vantage point (after I do more historical research) and I'll post something about the current climate in the AHA and how that relates to the BJCP. In the mean time it's Sunday and I'll be working all day... Thanks Steve Casselman --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.alphazone.net ([207.91.25.15]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC432341741A for judge`at`synchro.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from lash (64.21.200.86) by mail.alphazone.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.1) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:40:57 -0600 Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Lash Chaffin" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:32:18 -0600 Message-ID: <51C9F9C38F88D211854300902727AF3803F01F`at`LNM01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <51C9F9C38F88D211854300902727AF380818B9`at`LNM01> X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Almond is a toughie. However, I think that Wyeast American Ale II gives off a slight almond/cherry flavor. This would seem to indicate that almond flavors come from somewhere in the fermentation process as opposed to the mashing or storage process. Just a guess. -----Original Message----- From: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest [mailto:judge`at`synchro.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:03 AM To: Digest Recipients Subject: Digest for the period 1/4/02 - 1/5/02 Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 1/3/02 - 1/4/02 (MLR2390`at`aol.com) RE:Almond/Coconut (Houseman, David L) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MLR2390`at`aol.com Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:02:25 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/3/02 - 1/4/02 I myself noted a coconut character in the Pipkin Brewing Co's (Louisville, KY) seasonal whiskey barrel aged stout. Mark Roberts Frankfort, KY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Houseman, David L Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:03:41 -0600 Subject: RE:Almond/Coconut Lyle's correct; that was two questions. There was a question elsewhere about the almond flavor recently and it's not one I've come across, although I suspect some nutty, sherry notes could be sensed as almond and thus this might be a form of oxidation. Coconut I knew the answer to (at least I think I do) in that it is a form of oxidation, when not intentionally added (as in the excellent toasted coconut porter that won BOS in the NHC a few years ago). Any other thoughts on unintentional almond aroma and flavor? Dave Houseman --Message_Part_SYNC43374177A3-- --Next_Part_SYNC43374177A3--