Subject: Digest for the period 1/2/02 - 1/3/02 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:01:11 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2" --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Steve Moore) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (TEHCRNA`at`aol.com) re:AHA & BJCP (Nathaniel P. Lansing) Boston Homebrew Competition / MCAB5 Qualifying Event (John B. Doherty) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Tyler Yarbrough) Re: Prizes for competitions / Coconut (John Palmer) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Bruce Millington) --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2" --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from sm10.texas.rr.com ([24.93.35.222]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4193414E42 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:58:44 -0500 Received: from houston.rr.com (cs662516-170.houston.rr.com [66.25.16.170]) by sm10.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id g026wakw004920 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:58:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3C32AFFB.10501`at`houston.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:00:11 -0600 From: Steve Moore Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > David Houseman wrote: > > It is encouraging to see that Sean and others are so enamored with > history. > Are you still battling the Civil War as well? Is the outcome of the > Revolutionary War still in debate? Still protesting the outcome of the > Florida presidential election? All are in the past. Get over it > and move > on. Whatever the history of the AHA/BJCP, that was then, this is now. I really was attempting to stay out of this fray, but honesty compels me to point out that the AHA is still wholly owned by the same guy who was in charge during the bad ole days! Those that do not remember the past really are doomed to repeat it. I truly am happy that Ray Daniels and co. are doing such a phenomenal job with Zymurgy and that the (constitutionally toothless) AHA Board of Advisors have been given a budget of in excess of $500 a year. However, what assurance do we have that the AHA won't start the same wacky antics the next time their coffers are flush? I don't recall anybody even apologizing. And in other news: Lyle C. Brown wrote > There came a time, when judges felt the AHA was exercising too much > control over the BJCP, and the HWBTA no longer desired to fund the BJCP. > My view of things at the time was that these were the main reasons BJCP > broke away from the AHA (and HWBTA!). The AHA tried to just kick the Home Wine & Beer Trade Association out of the deal and, shall we say, appropriate the BJCP's name, assets and intellectual property until then HWBTA president Desmond Lundy recruited (my friend and fellow Foam Ranger) attorney Louis Bonham (who went on to write a nifty column for Brewing Techniques, found the MCAB and serve on the AHA BOA) to represent the HWBTA pro bono. At that point, the AHA announced that they would end their support of the BJCP and form their own wholly AHA-controlled judge program. According to then AHA President Karen Barela, they were doing this so the new program could be more responsive to the members. This struck me as more than a little disingenuous since the AHA, especially then, was as far from member driven as is possible. The plan to form an AHA judge program was ultimately abandoned due to lack of interest. BTW, During the mid '90s, the AHA tried to control every homebrew related organization. There were similar abortive efforts to supplant the HWBTA with an AHA-controlled Home Beverage Supplier's Council and to take the AHA international. Slainte, Steve --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.105]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4198414F00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:36:53 -0500 Received: from TEHCRNA`at`aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id u.6b.204724bd (4411) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:36:48 -0500 (EST) From: TEHCRNA`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: <6b.204724bd.29644acf`at`aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:36:47 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message My sentiments exactly! David Houseman speaks truth! Lets move on to productive discussions! Tom Hood --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from siaag2aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.131]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4200414F31 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:36:45 -0500 Received: (from mailgate`at`localhost) by siaag2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id IAA16713 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:20 -0500 From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Subject: re:AHA & BJCP Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: <200201020836_MC3-EC43-38B5`at`compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message David mentioned >> Nathan was incensed by the newbie issue of Zymurgy that he hadn't read yet. << That's right, this is one thing I had mentioned before when I said the AHA should mail things they promise; they committed to mailing me these magazines by October but they never arrived. So my incense was only delayed to hear recently of the 1 sided advertising approach. So that's my fault? that makes the AHA all great and beyond reproach? >>Personally I'd rather see this forum focused on flavor profiling, creating better judging experiences and competitions. How do other competitions find treasure troves of prizes while many competitions make do with ribbo= ns or metals only? What are the tricks to turning a profit in competitions= , without pushing entry prices up, so that the club has money to spend on other activities? Exactly what causes an almond flavor in beer as a defect? Coconut?<< Well fine, why has nobody (you) brought these questions to the digest before? Why has nobody (you) proffered answers? Why, if someone asks what is the problem between the AHA and others, are the answers regarded as some kind of heresy? Frankly it is not my job to fix the AHA's attitude problem. I have give= n them enough of my time and money. = I did take the time to mention that the newer people in AHA seem to be working hard to improve things. = >> Why not spend your time more constructively by lending your talents to fixing= that which you feel is broken rather than complain about it?<< Well that is specious since the AHA started this discussion by posting= here requesting nominations for the board but refusing outside input. They have found ways to alienate apparently a large number of people and now it is those that have alienated that are supposed to fix the problem? I don't get it. Maybe at least those involved with the AHA can read this and see what needs fixed. Isn't that what's the digest should work like? NPL --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.127]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4203415062 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20020102161258.29593.qmail`at`web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.245.160.2] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: "John B. Doherty" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Boston Homebrew Competition / MCAB5 Qualifying Event To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dear Fellow Beer Judges and Homebrewers, The Boston Wort Processors are pleased to formally announce the Eighth Annual BOSTON HOMEBREW COMPETITION (BHC8) to be held on February 9th, 2002! This competition is run by the Boston Wort Processors Homebrew Club and is a BJCP Registered Event. The competition will be held at the Watch City Brewing Company in Waltham, MA, just west of Boston. This competition will again be the Northeast Regional Qualifying Event for the 5th year of the Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing (MCAB) Competition! (http://hbd.org/mcab/) The BHC8 page on our club website (http://www.wort.org/bhc.html) lists the qualifying styles for MCAB5. This competition will also be the 2nd of five in the 2002 New England Homebrewer of the Year (http://mail.symuli.com/NEHBOTY) circuit. All BJCP Styles will be judged, including Cider and Mead. The Entry Deadline has been set as Friday February 1, 2002 and the entry fee is $5.00 per entry. We will also need judge and steward support, so please come and help us out if you can! On February 9th, the entries will be judged in morning and afternoon sessions with a complimentary lunch served to judges and stewards. A public Best Of Show judging and Awards Presentation will follow the afternoon session. Watch City Brewing Company's Head Brewer, Aaron Mateychuk, will also select a Brewmaster's Choice Award from among the BOS finalists. The lucky entrant who wins the Brewmaster's Choice will get to assist Aaron in brewing a brewpub sized batch of their beer at Watch City!!! All of the information one needs to enter the competition or to judge or steward in the competition can be found at: http://www.wort.org/bhc.html including entry forms, bottle labels, judge registration forms, drop-off and ship-to info, etc. We encourage everyone who is interested in this competition to obtain information through the website as it will be continually updated there. Feel free to send me email at dohertybrewing`at`yahoo.com with questions you might have. Spread the word and we look forward to judging your entries!! Cheers and Happy Brewing! John B. Doherty Head Organizer for the 2002 Boston Homebrew Competition (BHC8) dohertybrewing`at`yahoo.com 978-670-6987 (w) 508-923-6376 (h) Surf to http://www.wort.org/bhc.html for all competition details!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4203415092 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:26:54 -0500 Received: from pacbell.net ([63.198.47.148]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPB001W6KCT12`at`mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:26:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:27:46 -0800 From: Tyler Yarbrough Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <3C333502.CE54D12A`at`pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD PBI-NC461 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Alright, Dave (Housman)... New thread. Competition prizes and turning a profit without raising entry fees. The World Cup of Beer competition has been in the enviable position of giving away nice prizes and turning a profit for our club, the Bay Area Mashers, for years. It has been an MCAB Qualifying Event for four years. We helped host the MCAB finals last year. I'm always gratified by the judges comments about how the World Cup has been run. The key is sponsors. Getting the local beer industry involved, with prizes and dollar sponsorships keeps it working. We have some very generous sponsors. But in this time of tough economic news, it's getting harder. We must keep finding ways to actually BENEFIT our sponsors, helping them get the word out about THEIR products, if we want to see their continued support. I, for one, can't ask the generous people of the beer industry for their hard-earned every year, without being able to give something back. What can we do to help them? Thanks for your ideas in advance.. cheers, Tyler Yarbrough --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from out001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.101]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4206415184 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:01:54 -0500 Received: from W25191.gte.net ([165.152.65.178]) by out001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id g02J1hwk028753 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:01:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102105406.02f58560`at`mail.gte.net> X-Sender: jjpalmer`at`mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:01:43 -0800 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: John Palmer Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Prizes for competitions / Coconut Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dave had a good post about what is important for this forum and I will now attempt to address a couple of his questions/suggestions. Regarding obtaining prizes for competitions: I'll bet that if you were to contact authors/publishers of brewing books, they would be delighted to donate a couple of signed copies for use as prizes. :-) Regarding the Almond Off-flavor: I doubt that it is caused by coconut, but I have yet to use coconut in a batch. ;-) Best Wishes, John Palmer John Palmer Monrovia, CA How To Brew - the online book http://www.howtobrew.com/sitemap.html Homepage http://www.realbeer.com/jjpalmer Let there be Peace on Earth. --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.95.81]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4214415330 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:05:21 -0500 Received: from cg206602a ([65.9.204.91]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020103030517.ITCG27139.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com`at`cg206602a> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:05:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c19404$25646100$5bcc0941`at`adubn1.nj.home.com> From: "Bruce Millington" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:10:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I agree with Dave. Let's focus on topics that make our responsibilties as judges more meaningful and enlightening. I, for one, would like to know how to be more efficient in organizing a competition (being able to offer prizes, judges' gifts, etc.), without zapping the club's budget. Bruce Millington ----- Original Message ----- From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 > Table of contents > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Re: A history of the BJCP and AHA (David Houseman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: David Houseman Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:50:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: A history of the BJCP and AHA > > > It is encouraging to see that Sean and others are so enamored with history. > Are you still battling the Civil War as well? Is the outcome of the > Revolutionary War still in debate? Still protesting the outcome of the > Florida presidential election? All are in the past. Get over it and move > on. Whatever the history of the AHA/BJCP, that was then, this is now. Why > not spend your time more constructively by lending your talents to fixing > that which you feel is broken rather than complain about it? I can see > where Bill didn't understand the difference in St. Pats as an > importer/wholesaler and as a retail store but Nathan was incensed by the > newbie issue of Zymurgy that he hadn't read yet. All organizations > consisting of human behavior will have some problems as will any > relationship. Believe me, the BJCP isn't without it's warts and blemishes > as well. Work to make it better or you haven't earned the right to bitch. > Run for office or volunteer for some of the committees. > > Personally I'd rather see this forum focused on flavor profiling, creating > better judging experiences and competitions. How do other competitions > find treasure troves of prizes while many competitions make do with ribbons > or metals only? What are the tricks to turning a profit in competitions, > without pushing entry prices up, so that the club has money to spend on > other activities? Exactly what causes an almond flavor in beer as a > defect? Coconut? > > On to the bowl games today. > > Dave Houseman > > > --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2-- --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2-- Subject: Digest for the period 1/2/02 - 1/3/02 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:01:11 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2" --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Steve Moore) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (TEHCRNA`at`aol.com) re:AHA & BJCP (Nathaniel P. Lansing) Boston Homebrew Competition / MCAB5 Qualifying Event (John B. Doherty) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Tyler Yarbrough) Re: Prizes for competitions / Coconut (John Palmer) Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 (Bruce Millington) --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2" --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from sm10.texas.rr.com ([24.93.35.222]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4193414E42 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:58:44 -0500 Received: from houston.rr.com (cs662516-170.houston.rr.com [66.25.16.170]) by sm10.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id g026wakw004920 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:58:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3C32AFFB.10501`at`houston.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:00:11 -0600 From: Steve Moore Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > David Houseman wrote: > > It is encouraging to see that Sean and others are so enamored with > history. > Are you still battling the Civil War as well? Is the outcome of the > Revolutionary War still in debate? Still protesting the outcome of the > Florida presidential election? All are in the past. Get over it > and move > on. Whatever the history of the AHA/BJCP, that was then, this is now. I really was attempting to stay out of this fray, but honesty compels me to point out that the AHA is still wholly owned by the same guy who was in charge during the bad ole days! Those that do not remember the past really are doomed to repeat it. I truly am happy that Ray Daniels and co. are doing such a phenomenal job with Zymurgy and that the (constitutionally toothless) AHA Board of Advisors have been given a budget of in excess of $500 a year. However, what assurance do we have that the AHA won't start the same wacky antics the next time their coffers are flush? I don't recall anybody even apologizing. And in other news: Lyle C. Brown wrote > There came a time, when judges felt the AHA was exercising too much > control over the BJCP, and the HWBTA no longer desired to fund the BJCP. > My view of things at the time was that these were the main reasons BJCP > broke away from the AHA (and HWBTA!). The AHA tried to just kick the Home Wine & Beer Trade Association out of the deal and, shall we say, appropriate the BJCP's name, assets and intellectual property until then HWBTA president Desmond Lundy recruited (my friend and fellow Foam Ranger) attorney Louis Bonham (who went on to write a nifty column for Brewing Techniques, found the MCAB and serve on the AHA BOA) to represent the HWBTA pro bono. At that point, the AHA announced that they would end their support of the BJCP and form their own wholly AHA-controlled judge program. According to then AHA President Karen Barela, they were doing this so the new program could be more responsive to the members. This struck me as more than a little disingenuous since the AHA, especially then, was as far from member driven as is possible. The plan to form an AHA judge program was ultimately abandoned due to lack of interest. BTW, During the mid '90s, the AHA tried to control every homebrew related organization. There were similar abortive efforts to supplant the HWBTA with an AHA-controlled Home Beverage Supplier's Council and to take the AHA international. Slainte, Steve --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.105]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4198414F00 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:36:53 -0500 Received: from TEHCRNA`at`aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id u.6b.204724bd (4411) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:36:48 -0500 (EST) From: TEHCRNA`at`aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Message-ID: <6b.204724bd.29644acf`at`aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:36:47 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message My sentiments exactly! David Houseman speaks truth! Lets move on to productive discussions! Tom Hood --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from siaag2aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.131]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4200414F31 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:36:45 -0500 Received: (from mailgate`at`localhost) by siaag2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id IAA16713 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:36:20 -0500 From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Subject: re:AHA & BJCP Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: <200201020836_MC3-EC43-38B5`at`compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message David mentioned >> Nathan was incensed by the newbie issue of Zymurgy that he hadn't read yet. << That's right, this is one thing I had mentioned before when I said the AHA should mail things they promise; they committed to mailing me these magazines by October but they never arrived. So my incense was only delayed to hear recently of the 1 sided advertising approach. So that's my fault? that makes the AHA all great and beyond reproach? >>Personally I'd rather see this forum focused on flavor profiling, creating better judging experiences and competitions. How do other competitions find treasure troves of prizes while many competitions make do with ribbo= ns or metals only? What are the tricks to turning a profit in competitions= , without pushing entry prices up, so that the club has money to spend on other activities? Exactly what causes an almond flavor in beer as a defect? Coconut?<< Well fine, why has nobody (you) brought these questions to the digest before? Why has nobody (you) proffered answers? Why, if someone asks what is the problem between the AHA and others, are the answers regarded as some kind of heresy? Frankly it is not my job to fix the AHA's attitude problem. I have give= n them enough of my time and money. = I did take the time to mention that the newer people in AHA seem to be working hard to improve things. = >> Why not spend your time more constructively by lending your talents to fixing= that which you feel is broken rather than complain about it?<< Well that is specious since the AHA started this discussion by posting= here requesting nominations for the board but refusing outside input. They have found ways to alienate apparently a large number of people and now it is those that have alienated that are supposed to fix the problem? I don't get it. Maybe at least those involved with the AHA can read this and see what needs fixed. Isn't that what's the digest should work like? NPL --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.127]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4203415062 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20020102161258.29593.qmail`at`web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.245.160.2] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: "John B. Doherty" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Boston Homebrew Competition / MCAB5 Qualifying Event To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dear Fellow Beer Judges and Homebrewers, The Boston Wort Processors are pleased to formally announce the Eighth Annual BOSTON HOMEBREW COMPETITION (BHC8) to be held on February 9th, 2002! This competition is run by the Boston Wort Processors Homebrew Club and is a BJCP Registered Event. The competition will be held at the Watch City Brewing Company in Waltham, MA, just west of Boston. This competition will again be the Northeast Regional Qualifying Event for the 5th year of the Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing (MCAB) Competition! (http://hbd.org/mcab/) The BHC8 page on our club website (http://www.wort.org/bhc.html) lists the qualifying styles for MCAB5. This competition will also be the 2nd of five in the 2002 New England Homebrewer of the Year (http://mail.symuli.com/NEHBOTY) circuit. All BJCP Styles will be judged, including Cider and Mead. The Entry Deadline has been set as Friday February 1, 2002 and the entry fee is $5.00 per entry. We will also need judge and steward support, so please come and help us out if you can! On February 9th, the entries will be judged in morning and afternoon sessions with a complimentary lunch served to judges and stewards. A public Best Of Show judging and Awards Presentation will follow the afternoon session. Watch City Brewing Company's Head Brewer, Aaron Mateychuk, will also select a Brewmaster's Choice Award from among the BOS finalists. The lucky entrant who wins the Brewmaster's Choice will get to assist Aaron in brewing a brewpub sized batch of their beer at Watch City!!! All of the information one needs to enter the competition or to judge or steward in the competition can be found at: http://www.wort.org/bhc.html including entry forms, bottle labels, judge registration forms, drop-off and ship-to info, etc. We encourage everyone who is interested in this competition to obtain information through the website as it will be continually updated there. Feel free to send me email at dohertybrewing`at`yahoo.com with questions you might have. Spread the word and we look forward to judging your entries!! Cheers and Happy Brewing! John B. Doherty Head Organizer for the 2002 Boston Homebrew Competition (BHC8) dohertybrewing`at`yahoo.com 978-670-6987 (w) 508-923-6376 (h) Surf to http://www.wort.org/bhc.html for all competition details!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4203415092 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:26:54 -0500 Received: from pacbell.net ([63.198.47.148]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPB001W6KCT12`at`mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:26:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:27:46 -0800 From: Tyler Yarbrough Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <3C333502.CE54D12A`at`pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD PBI-NC461 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Alright, Dave (Housman)... New thread. Competition prizes and turning a profit without raising entry fees. The World Cup of Beer competition has been in the enviable position of giving away nice prizes and turning a profit for our club, the Bay Area Mashers, for years. It has been an MCAB Qualifying Event for four years. We helped host the MCAB finals last year. I'm always gratified by the judges comments about how the World Cup has been run. The key is sponsors. Getting the local beer industry involved, with prizes and dollar sponsorships keeps it working. We have some very generous sponsors. But in this time of tough economic news, it's getting harder. We must keep finding ways to actually BENEFIT our sponsors, helping them get the word out about THEIR products, if we want to see their continued support. I, for one, can't ask the generous people of the beer industry for their hard-earned every year, without being able to give something back. What can we do to help them? Thanks for your ideas in advance.. cheers, Tyler Yarbrough --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from out001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.101]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4206415184 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:01:54 -0500 Received: from W25191.gte.net ([165.152.65.178]) by out001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id g02J1hwk028753 Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:01:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102105406.02f58560`at`mail.gte.net> X-Sender: jjpalmer`at`mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:01:43 -0800 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: John Palmer Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com Subject: Re: Prizes for competitions / Coconut Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dave had a good post about what is important for this forum and I will now attempt to address a couple of his questions/suggestions. Regarding obtaining prizes for competitions: I'll bet that if you were to contact authors/publishers of brewing books, they would be delighted to donate a couple of signed copies for use as prizes. :-) Regarding the Almond Off-flavor: I doubt that it is caused by coconut, but I have yet to use coconut in a batch. ;-) Best Wishes, John Palmer John Palmer Monrovia, CA How To Brew - the online book http://www.howtobrew.com/sitemap.html Homepage http://www.realbeer.com/jjpalmer Let there be Peace on Earth. --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.95.81]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.6.1176) id SYNC4214415330 for judge`at`synchro.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:05:21 -0500 Received: from cg206602a ([65.9.204.91]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020103030517.ITCG27139.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com`at`cg206602a> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:05:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c19404$25646100$5bcc0941`at`adubn1.nj.home.com> From: "Bruce Millington" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner`at`synchro.com Sender: judge`at`synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Re: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:10:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I agree with Dave. Let's focus on topics that make our responsibilties as judges more meaningful and enlightening. I, for one, would like to know how to be more efficient in organizing a competition (being able to offer prizes, judges' gifts, etc.), without zapping the club's budget. Bruce Millington ----- Original Message ----- From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: Digest for the period 1/1/02 - 1/2/02 > Table of contents > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Re: A history of the BJCP and AHA (David Houseman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: David Houseman Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:50:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: A history of the BJCP and AHA > > > It is encouraging to see that Sean and others are so enamored with history. > Are you still battling the Civil War as well? Is the outcome of the > Revolutionary War still in debate? Still protesting the outcome of the > Florida presidential election? All are in the past. Get over it and move > on. Whatever the history of the AHA/BJCP, that was then, this is now. Why > not spend your time more constructively by lending your talents to fixing > that which you feel is broken rather than complain about it? I can see > where Bill didn't understand the difference in St. Pats as an > importer/wholesaler and as a retail store but Nathan was incensed by the > newbie issue of Zymurgy that he hadn't read yet. All organizations > consisting of human behavior will have some problems as will any > relationship. Believe me, the BJCP isn't without it's warts and blemishes > as well. Work to make it better or you haven't earned the right to bitch. > Run for office or volunteer for some of the committees. > > Personally I'd rather see this forum focused on flavor profiling, creating > better judging experiences and competitions. How do other competitions > find treasure troves of prizes while many competitions make do with ribbons > or metals only? What are the tricks to turning a profit in competitions, > without pushing entry prices up, so that the club has money to spend on > other activities? Exactly what causes an almond flavor in beer as a > defect? Coconut? > > On to the bowl games today. > > Dave Houseman > > > --Message_Part_SYNC42174153D2-- --Next_Part_SYNC42174153D2--