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We are thinking of having our next years Hudson Valley Competition on 
Sunday so that our homebrew store owner (and others in the region) wouldn't 
have to close on a busy day to participate.   I polled many of the judges 
this year to see what they think and nobody had a problem with it.  The Hop 
River club in CT has their competition on Sunday and this year's event was 
attended well enough that they were able to do the whole thing with only a 
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It might be that Saturday homebrew competitions are just a national 
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Dave Houseman wrote:

>Guess we haven't thought about Jewish judges by having competitions
>on Saturday or Muslims and Friday sessions.

I don't think we'll have to worry about Muslim beer judges. ;-)

Jeff
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Scott Kaplan raises an interesting question, which could have more than
one answer. 

In the particular situation he speaks of, it seems the benefits and the
desires of the museum are enough to justify judging on Saturday. On top
of this, I would suggest that one of our primary interests is public
education, and the chance to reach out to more attendees with a Saturday
demo is significant.

In general, I would suggest that judging on a Sunday is a bad idea. For
an area with a lot of active local judges, it probably won't matter, but
out of town judges would be less likely to support a Sunday competition.
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Sunday. Some competitions are large enough the BOS has to be on a second
day. Saturday's allow for the potential of 3 sessions, with more on
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We are thinking of having our next years Hudson Valley Competition on 
Sunday so that our homebrew store owner (and others in the region) wouldn't 
have to close on a busy day to participate.   I polled many of the judges 
this year to see what they think and nobody had a problem with it.  The Hop 
River club in CT has their competition on Sunday and this year's event was 
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morning session.  I think they pre-judged 3 or 4 categories to help this along.

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habit.....

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work (sometimes unexpectedly) on Saturday and less so on Sunday, so this 
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Dave Houseman wrote:

>Guess we haven't thought about Jewish judges by having competitions
>on Saturday or Muslims and Friday sessions.

I don't think we'll have to worry about Muslim beer judges. ;-)

Jeff
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Scott Kaplan raises an interesting question, which could have more than
one answer. 

In the particular situation he speaks of, it seems the benefits and the
desires of the museum are enough to justify judging on Saturday. On top
of this, I would suggest that one of our primary interests is public
education, and the chance to reach out to more attendees with a Saturday
demo is significant.

In general, I would suggest that judging on a Sunday is a bad idea. For
an area with a lot of active local judges, it probably won't matter, but
out of town judges would be less likely to support a Sunday competition.
If one assumes out of town judges are going to spend the night after
judging (a pretty good idea, if you drove!), a Sunday competition
requires a day off work for most people. Sunday judging also precludes
the popular after judging pub crawl. Again, for out of town judges, this
may be as big a thing as the actual judging. Nothing beats the chance for
a pub crawl in a new town, with native guides (esp native guides who
understand real beer).

Finally, judging on Saturday allows for potential overrun sessions on
Sunday. Some competitions are large enough the BOS has to be on a second
day. Saturday's allow for the potential of 3 sessions, with more on
Sunday. Sunday starts would probably only support 2 sessions.

Lyle C. Brown
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