Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09847 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22681 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5J54Dx07569 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 6/18/01 - 6/19/01 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9465360254" X-Hops: 1 Status: O --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: categories and guidelines (Joel Plutchak) --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC9465360254" --Message_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu ([141.142.22.64]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC944935EA7D for judge at synchro.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:52:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (plutchak at localhost) by brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00587 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:54:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu: plutchak owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Joel Plutchak Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: categories and guidelines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I must admit I wasn't very much illuminated by much of the discussion following my question about the dreaded category 19E. Some mentioned the wide-open specialty category as a similar thing, while others mentioned the "intended for clone brews" thing. The differences are that (a) the entrant must specify what they brewed for the Spec/Hist/Exper category beers, and (b) those beers are judged alongside other specialty beers. In the case of 19E, the brewer need specify nothing, and the inclusion in category 19 strongly suggests to the] competition organizer that they be judged alongside beers with more specific guidelines, commercial equivalents, etc. I personally would much rather the entrant be required to make some sort of statement as to intent for subcategory 19E. Jeremy Bergsman wrote: >Again, as a practical matter, there is a category for any >beer you can brew (if nothing else there is "Specialty, >Experimental, Historical") I've been wondering where the "American-style Stout" would go. Homebrewers and commercial breweries (Rogue, Sierra Nevada, etc.) have been doing stouts that are hopped with a PNW slant for decades. Due to the hopping they rarely fare well IME in any of the stout categories, yet I suspect if judged in the catch-all Spec/Exper/Hist category they'd get an "it's a stout; what's the fuss?" reaction. -- Joel Plutchak "If you can taste the difference between caviar on a plutchak at [...] cracker and ketchup on a Kit-Kat while blindfolded, you have not had enough aquavit to be ready for lutefisk." --Message_Part_SYNC9465360254-- --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254-- Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09847 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22681 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5J54Dx07569 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 6/18/01 - 6/19/01 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9465360254" X-Hops: 1 Status: O --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: categories and guidelines (Joel Plutchak) --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC9465360254" --Message_Part_SYNC9465360254 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu ([141.142.22.64]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC944935EA7D for judge at synchro.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:52:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (plutchak at localhost) by brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00587 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:54:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: brew.ncsa.uiuc.edu: plutchak owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Joel Plutchak Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: categories and guidelines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I must admit I wasn't very much illuminated by much of the discussion following my question about the dreaded category 19E. Some mentioned the wide-open specialty category as a similar thing, while others mentioned the "intended for clone brews" thing. The differences are that (a) the entrant must specify what they brewed for the Spec/Hist/Exper category beers, and (b) those beers are judged alongside other specialty beers. In the case of 19E, the brewer need specify nothing, and the inclusion in category 19 strongly suggests to the] competition organizer that they be judged alongside beers with more specific guidelines, commercial equivalents, etc. I personally would much rather the entrant be required to make some sort of statement as to intent for subcategory 19E. Jeremy Bergsman wrote: >Again, as a practical matter, there is a category for any >beer you can brew (if nothing else there is "Specialty, >Experimental, Historical") I've been wondering where the "American-style Stout" would go. Homebrewers and commercial breweries (Rogue, Sierra Nevada, etc.) have been doing stouts that are hopped with a PNW slant for decades. Due to the hopping they rarely fare well IME in any of the stout categories, yet I suspect if judged in the catch-all Spec/Exper/Hist category they'd get an "it's a stout; what's the fuss?" reaction. -- Joel Plutchak "If you can taste the difference between caviar on a plutchak at [...] cracker and ketchup on a Kit-Kat while blindfolded, you have not had enough aquavit to be ready for lutefisk." --Message_Part_SYNC9465360254-- --Next_Part_SYNC9465360254--