Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27128 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA06271 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 6/9/01 - 6/10/01 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9249351986" X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Women Judges (Kimberley Lee) Judging "Dutch Pilseners"? (Robert Paolino) --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC9249351986" --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.niagara.com ([209.5.56.12]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC921032C963 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:03:32 -0400 Received: from mediawks (isdn-42.niagara.com [209.5.58.42]) by mail.niagara.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with SMTP id f58E6XT30889 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c0f024$0b8aab60$10c58d18 at mediawks> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Kimberley Lee" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Women Judges Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:04:57 -0400 Organization: Media Works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Article on Women Beer Judges (Kimberley Lee) I am a beer writer and a BJCP judge. I recently contacted the BJCP about an article I'm writing on Beer Judging from the female judges perspective. They don't actually keep gender stats, so I figured JudgeNet would be the place to go!! If you are a female Beer Judge or are a woman who loves beer, I would love to hear your story for an article I am writing. If you have any questions, comments or stories to share, please contact me at kim at brewingnews.com I look forward to hearing from you! Cheers, Kimberley Lee --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net ([169.207.3.79]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC9218337CD9 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 18:42:32 -0400 Received: from pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.83]) by out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f58MO1669896 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:24:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (rpaolino at earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f58MhwB07048 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Paolino Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Judging "Dutch Pilseners"? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I'd be interested in some discussion about how a YSIEL* or clone should be entered and judged (*Yuppie Swill Imported European Lager :-) ). You know the beers... Heineken, Grolsch, et cetera. I'm not suggesting that skunk be a mandatory part of the style description ;-) , because homebrewers would presumably use brown bottles, but given the current guidelines, what's the best category to use? I recently encountered one entered as a North German Pilsener, which I think is way off because the style demands fairly high hop bitterness and a crisp, dry finish, and YSIELs are (in contrast) considerably lower in bitterness and have a bit of sweetness that lingers into the finish. I scored it accordingly as an entered out-of-style beer even apart from the flaws, but there was disagreement on it. Given the current BJCP categories, it's a tough call on how one would properly enter such a beer, but I'd say it fits somewhere between a Dortmunder Export and a Helles, and closer to the Dortmund except that it lacks the slightly higher alcohol content. It's still a lot closer than Northern German Pilsener. Back when people were beginning to draft new style guidelines following the BJCP-AHA split, someone had included a separate category for the "Dutch Pilsener." Do we need something like this in the official guidelines, or do we simply think that not enough homebrewers want to brew something like that to warrant a category? -- Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino rpaolino at earth.execpc.com Madison I can taste my beer; can you? Support your local craft brewers! --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986-- --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27128 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA06271 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 6/9/01 - 6/10/01 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9249351986" X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Table of contents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Women Judges (Kimberley Lee) Judging "Dutch Pilseners"? (Robert Paolino) --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Message_Part_SYNC9249351986" --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from mail.niagara.com ([209.5.56.12]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC921032C963 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:03:32 -0400 Received: from mediawks (isdn-42.niagara.com [209.5.58.42]) by mail.niagara.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with SMTP id f58E6XT30889 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c0f024$0b8aab60$10c58d18 at mediawks> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Kimberley Lee" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest References: Subject: Women Judges Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:04:57 -0400 Organization: Media Works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Article on Women Beer Judges (Kimberley Lee) I am a beer writer and a BJCP judge. I recently contacted the BJCP about an article I'm writing on Beer Judging from the female judges perspective. They don't actually keep gender stats, so I figured JudgeNet would be the place to go!! If you are a female Beer Judge or are a woman who loves beer, I would love to hear your story for an article I am writing. If you have any questions, comments or stories to share, please contact me at kim at brewingnews.com I look forward to hearing from you! Cheers, Kimberley Lee --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net ([169.207.3.79]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.5.1167) id SYNC9218337CD9 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 18:42:32 -0400 Received: from pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.83]) by out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f58MO1669896 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:24:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from earth (rpaolino at earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by pop5.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f58MhwB07048 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Paolino Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Judging "Dutch Pilseners"? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I'd be interested in some discussion about how a YSIEL* or clone should be entered and judged (*Yuppie Swill Imported European Lager :-) ). You know the beers... Heineken, Grolsch, et cetera. I'm not suggesting that skunk be a mandatory part of the style description ;-) , because homebrewers would presumably use brown bottles, but given the current guidelines, what's the best category to use? I recently encountered one entered as a North German Pilsener, which I think is way off because the style demands fairly high hop bitterness and a crisp, dry finish, and YSIELs are (in contrast) considerably lower in bitterness and have a bit of sweetness that lingers into the finish. I scored it accordingly as an entered out-of-style beer even apart from the flaws, but there was disagreement on it. Given the current BJCP categories, it's a tough call on how one would properly enter such a beer, but I'd say it fits somewhere between a Dortmunder Export and a Helles, and closer to the Dortmund except that it lacks the slightly higher alcohol content. It's still a lot closer than Northern German Pilsener. Back when people were beginning to draft new style guidelines following the BJCP-AHA split, someone had included a separate category for the "Dutch Pilsener." Do we need something like this in the official guidelines, or do we simply think that not enough homebrewers want to brew something like that to warrant a category? -- Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino rpaolino at earth.execpc.com Madison I can taste my beer; can you? Support your local craft brewers! --Message_Part_SYNC9249351986-- --Next_Part_SYNC9249351986--