Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02733 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19119 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 04/18/01 - 04/19/01 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:01:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Wyeast 1728 (Bill Wible) smokiness in scottish ales (Randy Paul) Re: Digest for the period 04/17/01 - 04/18/01 (beerking1 at juno.com) re: Same beer different categories (Dion Hollenbeck) Amateurs or professionals? (Bill Wible) BJCP Exam In Philadelphia Area (David Houseman) Re: Digest for the period 04/16/01 - 04/17/01 (beerking1 at juno.com) --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from pond.com ([198.69.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79702D7A23 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from [205.160.4.4] (ascend1-3.vf.pond.com [205.160.4.4]) by pond.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA21162 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:39:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:35:02 -0400 Subject: Wyeast 1728 From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Phil Sides wrote: >Wyeast 1728 (reportedly McEwan's) lends a mild smokiness when fermented >cool. Presumably the other Scottish yeasts (WLP028 etc.) out there are >either the same strain or similar. Pick up a McEwan's Export and try >it. There is no smoked malt in those beers. I was surprised to find some time ago that Wyeast actually recommends 1728 Scottish Ale Yeast as their first choice for Barley Wines, Scottish Ales, Scottish Strong ales, and other high gravity strong beers. (www.wyeast.com) The description says "Ideally suited for Scottish-Style ales and high gravity ales of all types." If this yeast produces Smoky flavors, it would be inappropriate in a Barley Wine, or in "high gravity ales of all types." Personally, I have never used this yeast, though I may have to try it soon. But I find it hard to believe that Wyeast would recommend such a broad use for this yeast if it really made smoky tasting beers. Bill --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from ren-5.cais.net ([205.252.14.80]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79732D8195 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:13:11 -0400 Received: from [209.8.89.160] (ppp5.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.5]) by ren-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3I1D7L59742 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: randy at shell.cais.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:09:30 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Randy Paul Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: smokiness in scottish ales X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dave's comment about the perceived "smokey" character coming from a phenol rather than smoked malt makes sense to me. I'm not convinced that yeast is the only possible culprit however. This flavor could also be a side effect of kettle caramelization or it could come from tannins. With the low hopping of these ales there are flavors that we can identify that may be masked by hops in other styles brewed the same way. The style guide comments on the smokey flavor, because there are so many words devoted to it, has the effect of overemphasizing this characteristic. I've encountered some judges that misinterpreted this as an essential trait of a high scoring scottish ale (even though the guide clearly does not require it). --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79852DA217 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:03:32 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mVXHkTJX+c+LSLReV4apOqemCbBItjHWOA=="> Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F3BETA42; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:02:24 EDT To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge at synchro.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:03:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 04/17/01 - 04/18/01 Message-ID: <20010418.090526.-16402487.0.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,12-14,16-32 From: beerking1 at juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Regarding Bill's comment below, part of the "challenge" of entering your beer in a competition is deciding which one in a given category has a better chance of winning (or which one you would rather have comments/feedback on!). Note that the thread which started this discussion was based on dual entry of a stout/porter... eight years ago! I would submit that we judges, as a community have learned a lot since then. Would be interesting to see the results of the same type of entry today. I, myself entered a beer in the nationals, back in 1987, that was intended to be a fest, but was too dark, and a little bit heavy. I entered it as a bock and a fest. Even that long ago, the judges got it right, took 3rd as a fest, and the bock score sheet had "4th" written on it. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:01:35 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > -------------------------------------------------------- > From: Bill Wible Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:47:47 -0400 > Subject: Different Beers, Same Category? > > > Anyway, I wouldn't think entering more than of the same > style of beer should really be discouraged, unless you > have reason to suspect or can prove somebody's bad intent. > (And that's pretty hard to actually do.) Some guys just > like to brew a certain style, and it happens that they > legitimately have more than one different batch of the > same style at a time. > Lyle C. Brown --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from relay1.pair.com ([209.68.1.20]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79862DA569 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:32:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 24151 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 14:32:40 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO WCDIONH) (12.147.2.229) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 14:32:40 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 12.147.2.229 Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Dion Hollenbeck" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: re: Same beer different categories Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0c814$6d59b2b0$a502010a at corp.wingcast.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Just to settle people's minds, I did not enter the two beers for ribbons. The organizer and I agreed ahead of time that since they were both in the same subcategory, I could only get one medal if both beers placed well. I ended up getting no medals at all because the smoke character in the beer compared to all the other smoked beers was lacking. The point of the experiment was to see how the same beer would be judged as different classic styles within "other smoked beer" category. And, true to form, since I originally brewed it as a porter, it was scored much higher as a porter than a foreign stout. I had scaled up my recipe from normal 5 gals to 15 gals to brew on someone else's system and in so doing, the roasted character of the chocolate and black patent malts came through more strongly than it normally would have in a 5 gallon batch. So, it was kind of worth it to see how it would fare as a foreign stout. dion -- Dion Hollenbeck Email: hollen at woodsprite.com Home Page: http://www.woodsprite.com Brewing Page: http://hdb.org/hollen --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from pond.com ([198.69.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79942DBBA0 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:49:34 -0400 Received: from [205.160.4.25] (ascend1-24.vf.pond.com [205.160.4.25]) by pond.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07696 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:53:19 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:49:19 -0400 Subject: Amateurs or professionals? From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Here's a question posed by a member of our homebrew club that I thought was interesting and worthy of posting here. For the purposes of homebrew competitions, can or should someone be considered a 'professional' brewer even if they don't make their living brewing and selling beer? How about a writer who writes exclusively about beer? Should Michael Jackson, Charlie Papazian, George Fix, Greg Noonan, Ray Daniels, Roger Protz or any other such person be allowed to enter beers in a homebrew competition?** Or would/should these people be considered pros? Wouldn't it seem that any of these guys has the same knowledge as a professional brewer, if not more? Where exactly does 'amateur' end and 'professional' begin? ** Please note that I am NOT complaining about ANY of these guys. This is a real question that came up and got alot of debate among members of our club. Bill --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79942DBBDD for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:53:42 -0400 Received: from trhousemdlrem (user-2inilqd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.87.77]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29227; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004c01c0c85a$17b62a00$4d5779a5 at trhousemdlrem> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: "Al Hazan" , , "David Houseman" References: <002801c0bb18$25057de0$d55679a5 at trhousemdlrem> Subject: BJCP Exam In Philadelphia Area Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:51:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message A BJCP Exam is currently scheduled for Sunday June 3rd in Malvern, PA. Currently I have had only mild interest with no firm commitments. If we don't get firm commitments from the minimum number of examinees by the May 1st, we will be forced to postpone the exam, most likely until the Fall. Should you, or anyone you know, be interested in taking this exam, please contact me immediately. Firm commitment is a $10 deposit. We will schedule a few preparatory classes in May for the examinees who need them. David Houseman housemanfam at earthlink.net --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79972DC625 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:52:38 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mf5pZijxGyMY5N0fT0xV66ohyYm6cikCHA=="> Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F3CSSZKV; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:51:11 EDT To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge at synchro.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:48:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 04/16/01 - 04/17/01 Message-ID: <20010418.215449.-16770633.1.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-24,27-28,30-32 From: beerking1 at juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:04:38 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > From: Tyler Yarbrough Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:08:58 -0700 > Subject: Re:Smokey Scotch Ales > > > Our local pub carries Belhaven, which I was surprised to find, > features > a prominent smokiness. I've corresponded with a Maltster from > Scottish > and Newcastle (retired afer 35 years) who claims that "no self > respecting brewer would use smoked malt in their beer". He claimed > it > was a legend. He was trying to set up a way to import authentic > Scottish ingredients (bog myrtle?) and techniques to the US for > homebrewers. > cheers, > Tyler Yarbrough > > I have enjoyed Belhaven for decades. Probably my first introduction to Scottish Style Ales. I have never detected anything I would consider smokiness, prominent or otherwise. Since his newsletter was blanket broadcast to any homebrew club contacts he could find, I'm sure many of us have seen Alistair's claims. Lyle C. Brown --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63-- Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02733 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19119 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 04/18/01 - 04/19/01 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:01:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Wyeast 1728 (Bill Wible) smokiness in scottish ales (Randy Paul) Re: Digest for the period 04/17/01 - 04/18/01 (beerking1 at juno.com) re: Same beer different categories (Dion Hollenbeck) Amateurs or professionals? (Bill Wible) BJCP Exam In Philadelphia Area (David Houseman) Re: Digest for the period 04/16/01 - 04/17/01 (beerking1 at juno.com) --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from pond.com ([198.69.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79702D7A23 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from [205.160.4.4] (ascend1-3.vf.pond.com [205.160.4.4]) by pond.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA21162 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:39:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:35:02 -0400 Subject: Wyeast 1728 From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Phil Sides wrote: >Wyeast 1728 (reportedly McEwan's) lends a mild smokiness when fermented >cool. Presumably the other Scottish yeasts (WLP028 etc.) out there are >either the same strain or similar. Pick up a McEwan's Export and try >it. There is no smoked malt in those beers. I was surprised to find some time ago that Wyeast actually recommends 1728 Scottish Ale Yeast as their first choice for Barley Wines, Scottish Ales, Scottish Strong ales, and other high gravity strong beers. (www.wyeast.com) The description says "Ideally suited for Scottish-Style ales and high gravity ales of all types." If this yeast produces Smoky flavors, it would be inappropriate in a Barley Wine, or in "high gravity ales of all types." Personally, I have never used this yeast, though I may have to try it soon. But I find it hard to believe that Wyeast would recommend such a broad use for this yeast if it really made smoky tasting beers. Bill --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from ren-5.cais.net ([205.252.14.80]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79732D8195 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:13:11 -0400 Received: from [209.8.89.160] (ppp5.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.5]) by ren-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3I1D7L59742 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: randy at shell.cais.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:09:30 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Randy Paul Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: smokiness in scottish ales X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Dave's comment about the perceived "smokey" character coming from a phenol rather than smoked malt makes sense to me. I'm not convinced that yeast is the only possible culprit however. This flavor could also be a side effect of kettle caramelization or it could come from tannins. With the low hopping of these ales there are flavors that we can identify that may be masked by hops in other styles brewed the same way. The style guide comments on the smokey flavor, because there are so many words devoted to it, has the effect of overemphasizing this characteristic. I've encountered some judges that misinterpreted this as an essential trait of a high scoring scottish ale (even though the guide clearly does not require it). --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79852DA217 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:03:32 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mVXHkTJX+c+LSLReV4apOqemCbBItjHWOA=="> Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F3BETA42; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:02:24 EDT To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge at synchro.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:03:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 04/17/01 - 04/18/01 Message-ID: <20010418.090526.-16402487.0.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,12-14,16-32 From: beerking1 at juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Regarding Bill's comment below, part of the "challenge" of entering your beer in a competition is deciding which one in a given category has a better chance of winning (or which one you would rather have comments/feedback on!). Note that the thread which started this discussion was based on dual entry of a stout/porter... eight years ago! I would submit that we judges, as a community have learned a lot since then. Would be interesting to see the results of the same type of entry today. I, myself entered a beer in the nationals, back in 1987, that was intended to be a fest, but was too dark, and a little bit heavy. I entered it as a bock and a fest. Even that long ago, the judges got it right, took 3rd as a fest, and the bock score sheet had "4th" written on it. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:01:35 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > -------------------------------------------------------- > From: Bill Wible Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:47:47 -0400 > Subject: Different Beers, Same Category? > > > Anyway, I wouldn't think entering more than of the same > style of beer should really be discouraged, unless you > have reason to suspect or can prove somebody's bad intent. > (And that's pretty hard to actually do.) Some guys just > like to brew a certain style, and it happens that they > legitimately have more than one different batch of the > same style at a time. > Lyle C. Brown --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from relay1.pair.com ([209.68.1.20]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79862DA569 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:32:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 24151 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 14:32:40 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO WCDIONH) (12.147.2.229) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 14:32:40 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 12.147.2.229 Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Dion Hollenbeck" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: re: Same beer different categories Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0c814$6d59b2b0$a502010a at corp.wingcast.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Just to settle people's minds, I did not enter the two beers for ribbons. The organizer and I agreed ahead of time that since they were both in the same subcategory, I could only get one medal if both beers placed well. I ended up getting no medals at all because the smoke character in the beer compared to all the other smoked beers was lacking. The point of the experiment was to see how the same beer would be judged as different classic styles within "other smoked beer" category. And, true to form, since I originally brewed it as a porter, it was scored much higher as a porter than a foreign stout. I had scaled up my recipe from normal 5 gals to 15 gals to brew on someone else's system and in so doing, the roasted character of the chocolate and black patent malts came through more strongly than it normally would have in a 5 gallon batch. So, it was kind of worth it to see how it would fare as a foreign stout. dion -- Dion Hollenbeck Email: hollen at woodsprite.com Home Page: http://www.woodsprite.com Brewing Page: http://hdb.org/hollen --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from pond.com ([198.69.82.2]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79942DBBA0 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:49:34 -0400 Received: from [205.160.4.25] (ascend1-24.vf.pond.com [205.160.4.25]) by pond.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07696 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:53:19 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:49:19 -0400 Subject: Amateurs or professionals? From: Bill Wible Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Here's a question posed by a member of our homebrew club that I thought was interesting and worthy of posting here. For the purposes of homebrew competitions, can or should someone be considered a 'professional' brewer even if they don't make their living brewing and selling beer? How about a writer who writes exclusively about beer? Should Michael Jackson, Charlie Papazian, George Fix, Greg Noonan, Ray Daniels, Roger Protz or any other such person be allowed to enter beers in a homebrew competition?** Or would/should these people be considered pros? Wouldn't it seem that any of these guys has the same knowledge as a professional brewer, if not more? Where exactly does 'amateur' end and 'professional' begin? ** Please note that I am NOT complaining about ANY of these guys. This is a real question that came up and got alot of debate among members of our club. Bill --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79942DBBDD for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:53:42 -0400 Received: from trhousemdlrem (user-2inilqd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.87.77]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29227; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004c01c0c85a$17b62a00$4d5779a5 at trhousemdlrem> Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "David Houseman" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: "Al Hazan" , , "David Houseman" References: <002801c0bb18$25057de0$d55679a5 at trhousemdlrem> Subject: BJCP Exam In Philadelphia Area Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:51:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message A BJCP Exam is currently scheduled for Sunday June 3rd in Malvern, PA. Currently I have had only mild interest with no firm commitments. If we don't get firm commitments from the minimum number of examinees by the May 1st, we will be forced to postpone the exam, most likely until the Fall. Should you, or anyone you know, be interested in taking this exam, please contact me immediately. Firm commitment is a $10 deposit. We will schedule a few preparatory classes in May for the examinees who need them. David Houseman housemanfam at earthlink.net --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from m10.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.73]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC79972DC625 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:52:38 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"extssRca8ocTdEyjEoV6mf5pZijxGyMY5N0fT0xV66ohyYm6cikCHA=="> Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F3CSSZKV; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:51:11 EDT To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Cc: judge at synchro.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:48:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 04/16/01 - 04/17/01 Message-ID: <20010418.215449.-16770633.1.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-24,27-28,30-32 From: beerking1 at juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:04:38 -0400 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > From: Tyler Yarbrough Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:08:58 -0700 > Subject: Re:Smokey Scotch Ales > > > Our local pub carries Belhaven, which I was surprised to find, > features > a prominent smokiness. I've corresponded with a Maltster from > Scottish > and Newcastle (retired afer 35 years) who claims that "no self > respecting brewer would use smoked malt in their beer". He claimed > it > was a legend. He was trying to set up a way to import authentic > Scottish ingredients (bog myrtle?) and techniques to the US for > homebrewers. > cheers, > Tyler Yarbrough > > I have enjoyed Belhaven for decades. Probably my first introduction to Scottish Style Ales. I have never detected anything I would consider smokiness, prominent or otherwise. Since his newsletter was blanket broadcast to any homebrew club contacts he could find, I'm sure many of us have seen Alistair's claims. Lyle C. Brown --Next_Part_SYNC80012DCE63--