Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00277 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA29985 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 03/10/01 - 03/11/01 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ mai bock/helles bock (Gordon Strong) --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.12]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC70282A2818 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:11:48 -0500 Received: from buzzcut (ip183.dayton5.oh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.181.183]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24403 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:11:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001c0a8bb$e771f5d0$b7b51b26 at dopplebock.com> From: "Gordon Strong" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: mai bock/helles bock Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message At the recent Bockfest in Cincinnati, a couple other judges were discussing how they believed maibock and helles bock differed. If I remember properly, they said that maibock was more bitter and hoppy than helles bock. I had never heard this distinction before and wondered if anyone else had thought these styles were anything but synonomous. If they are considered different by some, are there sufficient commercial examples in each category to support this view? Are there any references in literature? I certainly agree the style has some range to it WRT bitterness/hoppiness, but I didn't know that the differences necessarily matched the name. I've sometimes believed there to be a slight difference in Marzen and Oktoberfest. Since Oktoberfest was a "fest" beer, it could be generally bigger (in malt, body, gravity, alcohol). But I could also be convinced that they are the same beers served at different times of the year, or that it's just whatever name the brewers like better. Any comments on this one either? One final question: is "mai" pronounced "may" or "my"? I've heard it both ways and would like a native speaker or one who has heard it in the original language to settle the question. Gordon Strong Beavercreek, Ohio strongg at earthlink dot net --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA-- Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00277 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA29985 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 03/10/01 - 03/11/01 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ mai bock/helles bock (Gordon Strong) --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.12]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC70282A2818 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:11:48 -0500 Received: from buzzcut (ip183.dayton5.oh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.181.183]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24403 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:11:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001c0a8bb$e771f5d0$b7b51b26 at dopplebock.com> From: "Gordon Strong" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: mai bock/helles bock Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message At the recent Bockfest in Cincinnati, a couple other judges were discussing how they believed maibock and helles bock differed. If I remember properly, they said that maibock was more bitter and hoppy than helles bock. I had never heard this distinction before and wondered if anyone else had thought these styles were anything but synonomous. If they are considered different by some, are there sufficient commercial examples in each category to support this view? Are there any references in literature? I certainly agree the style has some range to it WRT bitterness/hoppiness, but I didn't know that the differences necessarily matched the name. I've sometimes believed there to be a slight difference in Marzen and Oktoberfest. Since Oktoberfest was a "fest" beer, it could be generally bigger (in malt, body, gravity, alcohol). But I could also be convinced that they are the same beers served at different times of the year, or that it's just whatever name the brewers like better. Any comments on this one either? One final question: is "mai" pronounced "may" or "my"? I've heard it both ways and would like a native speaker or one who has heard it in the original language to settle the question. Gordon Strong Beavercreek, Ohio strongg at earthlink dot net --Next_Part_SYNC70652A38AA--