Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22323 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13281 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:02:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 08/29/00 - 08/30/00 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ shipping charges (Robert Paolino) Re: BJCP Shirts (JazzboBob at aol.com) Re: Digest for the period 08/25/00 - 08/26/00 (Scott A. Kaplan) Thanks Scott Birdwell (Bob Carbone) shipping & handling on shirts (John Slusher) --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com ([169.207.2.78]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23751D8008 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:07:10 -0400 Received: from earth (rpaolino at earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id OAA28034 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Paolino Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: shipping charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Okay, looks like I touched a nerve on the shipping thing, and perhaps I was wrong to extend my general "S&H" rant to this situation, where it is being done apart from the store's regular business. My apologies, particularly to Scott. Although I was apparently off base in this particular instance, in general, I stand by the rant. Consider the usual mail order/web merchant/non "bricks and mortar" store. The things that these merchants probably consider the "handling" part of "shipping and handling" are the kinds of normal costs of doing business that local stores account for in their prices every day, rather than adding on as a separate charge--presentable retail space, sales staff, et cetera--that the online/mail order merchants don't have. And, yes, they both have a percent or two to pay to the credit card issuers, and those, too are passed on to the consumer as part of the price in the case of a local shop. I do think it's dishonest for mail order merchants to _appear_ to be charging lower than the prices of real local shops only to take some of those costs of doing business and hiding them as "handling" rather than including them as part of the advertised price (which would make their prices not so attractive compared to local stores). Again, I stand corrected on the BJCP shirt sales that this does not fall into the general pattern I just described. (P.S. One way to have presented this in such a way as not to trigger the initial response you got from me--and no doubt in many other people who didn't bother to write--would be simply to say that the shirts are "$28, shipping included." If you wanted to offer multiple order "discounts" to account for the fact that it's cheaper to send one package with more than one shirt, you could say "two for $xx, three for $xx.) -- Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino rpaolino at earth.execpc.com Madison I can taste my beer. Can you? Bland Beer is the Worst Sort of Tyranny! Don't drink bland industrial swill; it only encourages them to make more. Catch up on Wisconsin news at http://nowgohaveabeer.tripod.com --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23751D8019 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:07:32 -0400 Received: from JazzboBob at aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id u.f8.23f2a10 (4220) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JazzboBob at aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: BJCP Shirts To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Thanks to Scott for explaining the facts of life to Robert. Time is money, especially to a businessman with a staff. Let's all go brew and drink a few beers and stop hassling over a couple of bucks. Bob Grossman --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net ([207.172.11.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23791D80F4 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:04:52 -0400 Received: from [209.6.136.26] (209-6-136-26.s26.tnt1.mnh.nh.dialup.rcn.com [209.6.136.26]) by gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with ESMTP id TAA16883 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:50:19 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: "Scott A. Kaplan" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 08/25/00 - 08/26/00 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message beerking1 at juno.com said, >Subject: Re: Digest for the period 08/22/00 - 08/23/00 > > >For Scott's call for judges below: A location would be helpful. At least >what state??? Portsmouth, NH. As I stated, all details are available at our contest website, http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~grtscott/puddledock.html This has been a recording. BEEP! Scott. --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail.wnonline.net ([216.4.88.11]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23801D811B for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:33:50 -0400 Received: from bobcarbo (dial15.e1.ppp.worldnetla.net [209.4.151.15]) by mail.wnonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA70120 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bcarbone at wnonline.net) From: "Bob Carbone" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Thanks Scott Birdwell Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c01087$424dd3c0$0f9704d1 at bobcarbo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I just received my BJCP Beer Judge shirt, and a very nice shirt it is with a nice logo that looks like it will survive many launderings. I ordered the shirt on Wednesday and it arrived at my mail box on Saturday. I appreciate the quick service, especially for something that is probably costing Scott some money out of his own pocket. He probably is paying someone to perform this service. That person would otherwise be generating income for Scott by spending his time serving his customers instead of taking orders for BJCP shirts. Scott exhibits the excellent trait of volunteerism to help out the members of the BJCP. We would be a much sadder group without Scott and all those that volunteer their precious time and more to us in the BJCP. Thanks again Scott, I really appreciate you. Bob Carbone Grand Cane, LA BJCP Certified Beer Judge (now with an Official BJCP shirt) --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail1.dh.trw.com ([129.193.109.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC24161D85E8 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:43:40 -0400 Received: from 129.flash.net ([129.193.51.120]) by mail1.dh.trw.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6661 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:43:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000829074811.00b00f00 at pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jslusher at pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:43:06 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: John Slusher Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: shipping & handling on shirts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message This is directed to DeFalco's and all BJCP Judge Brethren. I received my shirt from DeFalco's in this Monday's mail...I was very please with the shirts quality, color and BJCP logo. As Treasurer of our homebrew club, I have gone through the same T-shirt issue myself...it's not a fun experience, but hey...it's for the club. I am in 100% in agreement with DeFalco's reply (see below in quotes)...my hat is off to Scott Birdwell for donating his time and facility to provide us a this service. There is always someone out there that wants "something for nothing." You have to look at it this way Robert...we have purchased something very unique and of which few can wear. >"From: DeFalco's (Scott Birdwell) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:25:26 -0500 >Subject: shipping & handling on shirts > Robert Paolino seems to think that he is being gouged for shipping >on the BJCP shirt that he has not ordered. Apparently $6 is exessive to >his sensitivities. Let me break it down for you Robert: Sure, it only >costs $3.20 for priority mail shipping, but the vast majority of the >people that have ordered have called in their order on my 800 number. >This cost money. So far, all purchasers, other than local purchasers, >have used a credit card. The BJCP has no credit card processing >capability, so we are using my store's cc processor. There goes another >3 - 4%. Apparently, you think that my shop should simply absorb this >expense. If you like to donate some money to this cause (say $1 per >shirt), I will drop this part of the S & H charge. Yeah, I didn't think >so. . . Lastly, processing orders take time, either my time or my >employee's time, to pack the shirt, enter the order into the computer, >and process the credit card. So, as you can see, it isn't simply a >matter of "putting the thing in an envelope and leaving it for the >postal carrier," So far this week, my staff and I have spent 4 - 5 >hours packing and shirts. Would you like to take over this job? I can >ship you the shirts. I promise I will only charge the program the >actual UPS charges to get them to you. I bet you could streamline the >whole operation, where it would only cost $3.20 per shirt to ship them. > You see, when we ship supplies to a customer, we only charge the >actual shipping charges, but that is because we are (hopefully) paying >for these other incidental expenses with profits from the sale of >merchandise. We have no profits with these shirts, so I'm trying to >charge, to the best I can estimate, what it actually costs to pack, >process and ship a shirt to someone. My intent is not to make money on >this deal, but rather simply to not LOSE money on it. Unfortunately, I >don't think I've succeeded thus far. > If this still doesn't sit well with you, you can drop by the shop in >person and pay for your shirt with cash or a check (make it out the >"BJCP") and it will only cost you $22. > BTW Robert, I was able to locate a shirt printer that was able to >print these shirts for about $400 less than our other quote. That's >almost another $3 per shirt you would have had to pay, but at least you >wouldn't subjected to "that phony $6 "S&H." >Scott Birdwell >Proprietor of DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies & Gouger Extraordinaire" Thanks again Scott Birdwell (Defalco's) for the great service and response! Cheers! John A. Slusher BJCP Recognized Beer Judge #B0309 jslusher at flash.net http://home.flash.net/jslusher/crabs "Yes my son it is grain, in which any fool can eat. But the Lord has a more divine use in mind. Let us give thanks to the bounty and praise to the beauty and learn about, Beer." -- Friar Tuck -- --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22323 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.105]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13281 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:02:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 08/29/00 - 08/30/00 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ shipping charges (Robert Paolino) Re: BJCP Shirts (JazzboBob at aol.com) Re: Digest for the period 08/25/00 - 08/26/00 (Scott A. Kaplan) Thanks Scott Birdwell (Bob Carbone) shipping & handling on shirts (John Slusher) --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com ([169.207.2.78]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23751D8008 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:07:10 -0400 Received: from earth (rpaolino at earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id OAA28034 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Paolino Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: shipping charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Okay, looks like I touched a nerve on the shipping thing, and perhaps I was wrong to extend my general "S&H" rant to this situation, where it is being done apart from the store's regular business. My apologies, particularly to Scott. Although I was apparently off base in this particular instance, in general, I stand by the rant. Consider the usual mail order/web merchant/non "bricks and mortar" store. The things that these merchants probably consider the "handling" part of "shipping and handling" are the kinds of normal costs of doing business that local stores account for in their prices every day, rather than adding on as a separate charge--presentable retail space, sales staff, et cetera--that the online/mail order merchants don't have. And, yes, they both have a percent or two to pay to the credit card issuers, and those, too are passed on to the consumer as part of the price in the case of a local shop. I do think it's dishonest for mail order merchants to _appear_ to be charging lower than the prices of real local shops only to take some of those costs of doing business and hiding them as "handling" rather than including them as part of the advertised price (which would make their prices not so attractive compared to local stores). Again, I stand corrected on the BJCP shirt sales that this does not fall into the general pattern I just described. (P.S. One way to have presented this in such a way as not to trigger the initial response you got from me--and no doubt in many other people who didn't bother to write--would be simply to say that the shirts are "$28, shipping included." If you wanted to offer multiple order "discounts" to account for the fact that it's cheaper to send one package with more than one shirt, you could say "two for $xx, three for $xx.) -- Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino rpaolino at earth.execpc.com Madison I can taste my beer. Can you? Bland Beer is the Worst Sort of Tyranny! Don't drink bland industrial swill; it only encourages them to make more. Catch up on Wisconsin news at http://nowgohaveabeer.tripod.com --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23751D8019 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:07:32 -0400 Received: from JazzboBob at aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id u.f8.23f2a10 (4220) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JazzboBob at aol.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: BJCP Shirts To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Thanks to Scott for explaining the facts of life to Robert. Time is money, especially to a businessman with a staff. Let's all go brew and drink a few beers and stop hassling over a couple of bucks. Bob Grossman --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net ([207.172.11.22]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23791D80F4 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:04:52 -0400 Received: from [209.6.136.26] (209-6-136-26.s26.tnt1.mnh.nh.dialup.rcn.com [209.6.136.26]) by gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with ESMTP id TAA16883 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:50:19 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: "Scott A. Kaplan" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 08/25/00 - 08/26/00 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message beerking1 at juno.com said, >Subject: Re: Digest for the period 08/22/00 - 08/23/00 > > >For Scott's call for judges below: A location would be helpful. At least >what state??? Portsmouth, NH. As I stated, all details are available at our contest website, http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~grtscott/puddledock.html This has been a recording. BEEP! Scott. --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail.wnonline.net ([216.4.88.11]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC23801D811B for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:33:50 -0400 Received: from bobcarbo (dial15.e1.ppp.worldnetla.net [209.4.151.15]) by mail.wnonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA70120 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bcarbone at wnonline.net) From: "Bob Carbone" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Thanks Scott Birdwell Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c01087$424dd3c0$0f9704d1 at bobcarbo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message I just received my BJCP Beer Judge shirt, and a very nice shirt it is with a nice logo that looks like it will survive many launderings. I ordered the shirt on Wednesday and it arrived at my mail box on Saturday. I appreciate the quick service, especially for something that is probably costing Scott some money out of his own pocket. He probably is paying someone to perform this service. That person would otherwise be generating income for Scott by spending his time serving his customers instead of taking orders for BJCP shirts. Scott exhibits the excellent trait of volunteerism to help out the members of the BJCP. We would be a much sadder group without Scott and all those that volunteer their precious time and more to us in the BJCP. Thanks again Scott, I really appreciate you. Bob Carbone Grand Cane, LA BJCP Certified Beer Judge (now with an Official BJCP shirt) --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail1.dh.trw.com ([129.193.109.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC24161D85E8 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:43:40 -0400 Received: from 129.flash.net ([129.193.51.120]) by mail1.dh.trw.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6661 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:43:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000829074811.00b00f00 at pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jslusher at pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:43:06 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: John Slusher Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: shipping & handling on shirts In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message This is directed to DeFalco's and all BJCP Judge Brethren. I received my shirt from DeFalco's in this Monday's mail...I was very please with the shirts quality, color and BJCP logo. As Treasurer of our homebrew club, I have gone through the same T-shirt issue myself...it's not a fun experience, but hey...it's for the club. I am in 100% in agreement with DeFalco's reply (see below in quotes)...my hat is off to Scott Birdwell for donating his time and facility to provide us a this service. There is always someone out there that wants "something for nothing." You have to look at it this way Robert...we have purchased something very unique and of which few can wear. >"From: DeFalco's (Scott Birdwell) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:25:26 -0500 >Subject: shipping & handling on shirts > Robert Paolino seems to think that he is being gouged for shipping >on the BJCP shirt that he has not ordered. Apparently $6 is exessive to >his sensitivities. Let me break it down for you Robert: Sure, it only >costs $3.20 for priority mail shipping, but the vast majority of the >people that have ordered have called in their order on my 800 number. >This cost money. So far, all purchasers, other than local purchasers, >have used a credit card. The BJCP has no credit card processing >capability, so we are using my store's cc processor. There goes another >3 - 4%. Apparently, you think that my shop should simply absorb this >expense. If you like to donate some money to this cause (say $1 per >shirt), I will drop this part of the S & H charge. Yeah, I didn't think >so. . . Lastly, processing orders take time, either my time or my >employee's time, to pack the shirt, enter the order into the computer, >and process the credit card. So, as you can see, it isn't simply a >matter of "putting the thing in an envelope and leaving it for the >postal carrier," So far this week, my staff and I have spent 4 - 5 >hours packing and shirts. Would you like to take over this job? I can >ship you the shirts. I promise I will only charge the program the >actual UPS charges to get them to you. I bet you could streamline the >whole operation, where it would only cost $3.20 per shirt to ship them. > You see, when we ship supplies to a customer, we only charge the >actual shipping charges, but that is because we are (hopefully) paying >for these other incidental expenses with profits from the sale of >merchandise. We have no profits with these shirts, so I'm trying to >charge, to the best I can estimate, what it actually costs to pack, >process and ship a shirt to someone. My intent is not to make money on >this deal, but rather simply to not LOSE money on it. Unfortunately, I >don't think I've succeeded thus far. > If this still doesn't sit well with you, you can drop by the shop in >person and pay for your shirt with cash or a check (make it out the >"BJCP") and it will only cost you $22. > BTW Robert, I was able to locate a shirt printer that was able to >print these shirts for about $400 less than our other quote. That's >almost another $3 per shirt you would have had to pay, but at least you >wouldn't subjected to "that phony $6 "S&H." >Scott Birdwell >Proprietor of DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies & Gouger Extraordinaire" Thanks again Scott Birdwell (Defalco's) for the great service and response! Cheers! John A. Slusher BJCP Recognized Beer Judge #B0309 jslusher at flash.net http://home.flash.net/jslusher/crabs "Yes my son it is grain, in which any fool can eat. But the Lord has a more divine use in mind. Let us give thanks to the bounty and praise to the beauty and learn about, Beer." -- Friar Tuck -- --Next_Part_SYNC24331D902C--