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In a message dated 7/3/00 1:04:12 AM, 
<< Tyce Heldenbrand  Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:41:30 -0400
Stated:
"Oud Bruin, obviously, you are not a trained judge yourself". Wrong, wrong, 
wrong, oh thou self rightous one - I too have taken and passed the exam, 
"There's an
unwritten law among BJCP judges,"  Who died and made you judge??/opps God? I 
did not say I judged the beer, I said I sat opposite the table you were at .. 
Now if you have take umbrige  at my comments, my seconds will call upon your 
thirds for mutual satisfaction.. and please do not presume to lecture to me 
about ethics.  "So please, don't slam some high "mucky muck" as you so
ignorantly put it, when this judge probably knew what he/she was talkking
about.."... Mr. Hildenbrand, I stand behind several national awards on my 
beers, and being co-brewer on a silver in the worlds two years ago. Secondly, 
if you or your associated judge knew anything about historic beers your 
comments wouldn't have been so far off the mark. Third, my comments about 
lord high mucky mucks and the grand poobah, go back a long time and if you 
are unable to follow a thread so be it..When you get tired of being a peon 
let me know. 
If Mr Hildenbrand and his "lord high poobah" co-judge had been certified in 
"historic styles" or  had they had been knowledgable of the style, this flame 
session would not have started. ( Gee where is George Depiro when you need 
him??, I want his two cents also)
Frankly, I take umbridge at the selfrightous attitude of folks like Mr. 
Hildenbrand.
Lastly, Mr Hildenbrand -the Name is Hammell, H.B., I'm in the Phone book, and 
I'm certificated also!
Warm up your rice cookers....





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BY The way,
Tyce - Did you read my second post in the same issue?? 
Gee how do we start, when you have an 1841 porter fremented from 1130 down to 
40 or so and with 100 ++ ibu's , how can you not have a cloying sweetness? In 
1841 these beers were food, my thick headed friend. 
The RX from John Harrison's book is as follows:
Youngers 1841 EXPORT porter(emphasis is made on the word export, because 
guess who the brits were exporting to?? _Hint- look at the Baltic trade 
porters/aka russian imp stouts)
The rx for 1 gallon
3 lbs pale,
1 3/4 brown malt(toast pale in oven  at 350 for about 45 minutes)
2 3/4 black malt
3 oz goldings-(presumed evenly split betw early and late additions in the 
copper)

Now if Mr. Hilderbrand and all his grand poobah buddies have ever brewed this 
beer, I'll frankly be very surprised. But I'm just an ignorant paisan from 
Trenton who won't march to the beat of club dogma, gets his jollies watching 
at those self rightous guys in the funny hats slipping on bananna peels. 
Bruce Hammell
P.S. did the founding fathers ever contemplate that we would be voting for 
the "lesser of two evils??" I don't think so. Someone said"if a goverment 
can't serve the needs of it's people, than it's time to change that 
government.." I think that poor soul lost his head for that comment.... 
Happy Forth of July folks...don't forget.. our freedon to brew came at a very 
high price for many Americans


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In a message dated 7/3/00 1:04:12 AM, 
<< Tyce Heldenbrand  Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:41:30 -0400
Stated:
"Oud Bruin, obviously, you are not a trained judge yourself". Wrong, wrong, 
wrong, oh thou self rightous one - I too have taken and passed the exam, 
"There's an
unwritten law among BJCP judges,"  Who died and made you judge??/opps God? I 
did not say I judged the beer, I said I sat opposite the table you were at .. 
Now if you have take umbrige  at my comments, my seconds will call upon your 
thirds for mutual satisfaction.. and please do not presume to lecture to me 
about ethics.  "So please, don't slam some high "mucky muck" as you so
ignorantly put it, when this judge probably knew what he/she was talkking
about.."... Mr. Hildenbrand, I stand behind several national awards on my 
beers, and being co-brewer on a silver in the worlds two years ago. Secondly, 
if you or your associated judge knew anything about historic beers your 
comments wouldn't have been so far off the mark. Third, my comments about 
lord high mucky mucks and the grand poobah, go back a long time and if you 
are unable to follow a thread so be it..When you get tired of being a peon 
let me know. 
If Mr Hildenbrand and his "lord high poobah" co-judge had been certified in 
"historic styles" or  had they had been knowledgable of the style, this flame 
session would not have started. ( Gee where is George Depiro when you need 
him??, I want his two cents also)
Frankly, I take umbridge at the selfrightous attitude of folks like Mr. 
Hildenbrand.
Lastly, Mr Hildenbrand -the Name is Hammell, H.B., I'm in the Phone book, and 
I'm certificated also!
Warm up your rice cookers....





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BY The way,
Tyce - Did you read my second post in the same issue?? 
Gee how do we start, when you have an 1841 porter fremented from 1130 down to 
40 or so and with 100 ++ ibu's , how can you not have a cloying sweetness? In 
1841 these beers were food, my thick headed friend. 
The RX from John Harrison's book is as follows:
Youngers 1841 EXPORT porter(emphasis is made on the word export, because 
guess who the brits were exporting to?? _Hint- look at the Baltic trade 
porters/aka russian imp stouts)
The rx for 1 gallon
3 lbs pale,
1 3/4 brown malt(toast pale in oven  at 350 for about 45 minutes)
2 3/4 black malt
3 oz goldings-(presumed evenly split betw early and late additions in the 
copper)

Now if Mr. Hilderbrand and all his grand poobah buddies have ever brewed this 
beer, I'll frankly be very surprised. But I'm just an ignorant paisan from 
Trenton who won't march to the beat of club dogma, gets his jollies watching 
at those self rightous guys in the funny hats slipping on bananna peels. 
Bruce Hammell
P.S. did the founding fathers ever contemplate that we would be voting for 
the "lesser of two evils??" I don't think so. Someone said"if a goverment 
can't serve the needs of it's people, than it's time to change that 
government.." I think that poor soul lost his head for that comment.... 
Happy Forth of July folks...don't forget.. our freedon to brew came at a very 
high price for many Americans


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