Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14138 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA11312 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.109]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15755 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 06/28/00 - 06/29/00 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ guidelines and fruit beers (BrewInfo) --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail.xnet.com ([198.147.221.67]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC9201BCE41 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:35:49 -0400 Received: from hurricane.xnet.com (typhoon.xnet.com [198.147.221.66]) by mail.xnet.com (8.9.3+Sun/XNet-3.0R) with ESMTP id XAA19976 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hurricane.xnet.com (Postfix, from userid 4947) id F391938650; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:43 -0500 (CDT) To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: guidelines and fruit beers Message-Id: <20000628043543.F391938650 at hurricane.xnet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: brewinfo at xnet.com (BrewInfo) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Firstly, I'd like to thank Del for his pointers to ambiguities in the guidelines. Nobody's perfect, and a committee is just a collection of of imperfection, no (I just made that up, so I'd better (TM) it)? *** Lyle writes: >I disagree with Al. Some fruit beers I have made have been based on a >particular style, such as a Raspberry Stout, etc. But, sometimes, I just >want to make a fruit beer. A beer with fruit predominating, no balancing >base style. I want the balance to be primarily fruit. This no longer fits >in the category. As example, I site my Chipotle Ale, which I felt >compelled to enter as a chipotle brown ale. I got scored off because not >enough of the brown ale character came through. The judges stated that it >might have placed if entered as just a Chipotle Ale, with no base style >specified. Think of Rogue's Mexicali Rogue (YUMM!), which I was modeling >my beer after. This commercial beer has no predominant base style, it is >simply a chpotle ale. You should be able to find a style that fits the base beer. Alas, Pale Mild is not a style in the new guidelines and that could very well be a base for 80% of all fruit beers. I think maybe the lack of the Pale Mild category puts a monkeywrench in my intent. It's unfair if you really can't find a style for the base beer. Another thing to address in the 2000 Guidelines... Al. Al Korzonas, Lockport, Illinois, USA korz at brewinfo.com http://www.brewinfo.com/brewinfo/ --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C-- Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.22]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14138 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA11312 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.109]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15755 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 06/28/00 - 06/29/00 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ guidelines and fruit beers (BrewInfo) --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail.xnet.com ([198.147.221.67]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC9201BCE41 for judge at synchro.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:35:49 -0400 Received: from hurricane.xnet.com (typhoon.xnet.com [198.147.221.66]) by mail.xnet.com (8.9.3+Sun/XNet-3.0R) with ESMTP id XAA19976 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hurricane.xnet.com (Postfix, from userid 4947) id F391938650; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:43 -0500 (CDT) To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: guidelines and fruit beers Message-Id: <20000628043543.F391938650 at hurricane.xnet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: brewinfo at xnet.com (BrewInfo) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Firstly, I'd like to thank Del for his pointers to ambiguities in the guidelines. Nobody's perfect, and a committee is just a collection of of imperfection, no (I just made that up, so I'd better (TM) it)? *** Lyle writes: >I disagree with Al. Some fruit beers I have made have been based on a >particular style, such as a Raspberry Stout, etc. But, sometimes, I just >want to make a fruit beer. A beer with fruit predominating, no balancing >base style. I want the balance to be primarily fruit. This no longer fits >in the category. As example, I site my Chipotle Ale, which I felt >compelled to enter as a chipotle brown ale. I got scored off because not >enough of the brown ale character came through. The judges stated that it >might have placed if entered as just a Chipotle Ale, with no base style >specified. Think of Rogue's Mexicali Rogue (YUMM!), which I was modeling >my beer after. This commercial beer has no predominant base style, it is >simply a chpotle ale. You should be able to find a style that fits the base beer. Alas, Pale Mild is not a style in the new guidelines and that could very well be a base for 80% of all fruit beers. I think maybe the lack of the Pale Mild category puts a monkeywrench in my intent. It's unfair if you really can't find a style for the base beer. Another thing to address in the 2000 Guidelines... Al. Al Korzonas, Lockport, Illinois, USA korz at brewinfo.com http://www.brewinfo.com/brewinfo/ --Next_Part_SYNC9451BD52C--