Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00224 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.109]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA18245 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 06/18/00 - 06/19/00 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:03:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Styles (Jeff Renner) --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.144.17]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC6871B9732 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:20 -0400 Received: from [207.75.182.247] (pm478-04.dialip.mich.net [207.75.179.206]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id HAA16794 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:17 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Styles X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message N.P. (Del) Lansing wrote: >My pet peave is I think CAP is the only lager that states >"no diacetyl allowed". I think diacetyl at threshold brings out the >corn character. Think about it, who doesn't butter their corn on the cob? I agree, and have said so in my upcoming article on CAPs in Zymurgy. The old AHA guidelines allowed but BJCP ones didn't. > An ambiguity: Cream ales state a variation of American light lager >fermant as an ale. Does that mean _with_ an ale yeast? a lager at >ale temperatures? Was there really an American light lager at the >turn of the century? Modern cream ales are to classic American cream ales (CACA, to use Paul Shick's "unfortunate acronymn") as modern American mainstream lagers are to Classic American Pilsners. The cream ales of 100 years ago, also called (according to Wahl and Henius) "present use," "brilliant," or "sparkling" ales, were very much like the lagers. Nineteenth century ale brewers, seeing their sales drop as the public's taste changed to pale, clear, effervescent lagers, but lacking refrigeration and aging facilities, developed a beer brewed like a pilsner, but fermented as an ale. They were in general stronger than most pilsners, as had been the darker ales these breweries had been brewing - probably 15P. They have evolved into today's cream ales just as pilsners evolved, but the few remaining cream ales today bear only a fleeting resemblance to their ancestors. Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00224 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.232.109]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA18245 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 06/18/00 - 06/19/00 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:03:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Styles (Jeff Renner) --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.144.17]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1123) id SYNC6871B9732 for judge at synchro.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:20 -0400 Received: from [207.75.182.247] (pm478-04.dialip.mich.net [207.75.179.206]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id HAA16794 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:55:17 -0400 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Styles X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message N.P. (Del) Lansing wrote: >My pet peave is I think CAP is the only lager that states >"no diacetyl allowed". I think diacetyl at threshold brings out the >corn character. Think about it, who doesn't butter their corn on the cob? I agree, and have said so in my upcoming article on CAPs in Zymurgy. The old AHA guidelines allowed but BJCP ones didn't. > An ambiguity: Cream ales state a variation of American light lager >fermant as an ale. Does that mean _with_ an ale yeast? a lager at >ale temperatures? Was there really an American light lager at the >turn of the century? Modern cream ales are to classic American cream ales (CACA, to use Paul Shick's "unfortunate acronymn") as modern American mainstream lagers are to Classic American Pilsners. The cream ales of 100 years ago, also called (according to Wahl and Henius) "present use," "brilliant," or "sparkling" ales, were very much like the lagers. Nineteenth century ale brewers, seeing their sales drop as the public's taste changed to pale, clear, effervescent lagers, but lacking refrigeration and aging facilities, developed a beer brewed like a pilsner, but fermented as an ale. They were in general stronger than most pilsners, as had been the darker ales these breweries had been brewing - probably 15P. They have evolved into today's cream ales just as pilsners evolved, but the few remaining cream ales today bear only a fleeting resemblance to their ancestors. Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC7051B9B4B--