Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09143 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13680 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:47 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 02/15/00 - 02/16/00 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ RE: Multiple beers per category (Sherfey) multiple entries (Jeff Renner) Drunk Monk Challenge - Second Notice (Formanek, Joe) Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 (Jack Baty) --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from host.warwick.net ([204.255.24.254]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771115A07D for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:00:55 -0500 Received: from rastus (w128-4-p02.warwick.net [216.6.128.157]) by host.warwick.net (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with SMTP id e1FC0sf31407 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:00:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Sherfey" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Multiple beers per category Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message -----Original Message----- From: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest [mailto:judge at synchro.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:03 AM To: Digest Recipients Subject: Digest for the period 02/14/00 - 02/15/00 Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 (Reegleyj at aol.com) Best of Brooklyn 2000 (George de Piro) -------------------------------------------------------- From: Reegleyj at aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:43:41 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 Of course people enter competitions to win ribbons, including yourself judging by your evident pride in your blue ribbon. If this rule weren't in place you could enter three bottles of the same beer and stand a good chance of taking first, second and third in the category. That's why this particular rule is standard. I've never seen a competition that didn't have it. Brad Reeg In a message dated 2/12/0 12:05:51 AM, judge at synchro.com wrote: >I was sending beers off to some competitions this week (Boston & Brooklyn) >and I was disappointed to find out that both of these competitions only >allow a brewer to enter one brew per subcategory. This bums me out because I >have two Pilsners that I would like to have evaluated side by side. I want >feedback as to which is better and wanted some unbiased opinions (although >last weekends blue-ribbon gives me some indication). > >Can any competition organizers out there explain why this rule is in place? >If the primary purpose of a competition is to provide feedback to a brewer, >then the rule makes no sense. If the primary purpose is to hand out ribbons, >then I can see why it is so. -------------------------------------------------------- From: George de Piro Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:01:23 -0500 Subject: Best of Brooklyn 2000 Hi all, If we are trying to limit the number of *wins* per category to only one per brewer, limiting the number of *entries* seems to be the wrong place to control this. Without that rule: if we just review the winners, and only award a brewer the highest award he got for that category, then all of the other beers that brewer placed just become *evaluation* entries. That way, the brewer also competes against himself and it's a fair competition. I always thought this rule was there to limit the number of entries in competitions where the judges pool wasn't large enough to support two lager tables and three pale ale tables.....etc. David Sherfey Warwick, NY --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.83.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771315A29E for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:25:09 -0500 Received: from [207.75.176.136] (pm461-30.dialip.mich.net [207.75.176.136]) by vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1/3.1r) with ESMTP id JAA23883 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:22:59 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: multiple entries X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message It seems to me that I've seen competitions in which more than one entry/category was allowed, but only one would be considered for an award, the others would be only judged. That would satisfy both concerns. Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from sentinel.griffithlabs.com ([208.134.193.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771415A421 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:53:32 -0500 Received: from sentinel.griffithlabs.com (root at localhost) by sentinel.griffithlabs.com with ESMTP id JAA27471 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:53:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from alsip-nt3.Griffithlabs.com (ALSIP-NT3.GRIFFITHLABS.COM [192.168.1.175]) by sentinel.griffithlabs.com with ESMTP id JAA27467 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:53:33 -0600 (CST) Received: by ALSIP-NT3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DYTS1QM>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:56:33 -0600 Message-ID: <4230C38A2B97D111B7250000F8004300013B01E9 at ALSIP-NT3> From: "Formanek, Joe" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Drunk Monk Challenge - Second Notice Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:56:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message This will serve as the second notice for the Drunk Monk Challenge. We still need judges!!! We will be accepting entries starting this coming Saturday, February 19th, at the address listed below. Thanks!!!! The Urban Knaves of Grain will host the 2nd Annual Drunk Monk Challenge homebrew competition on March 4 at Two Brothers Brewery in Warrenville, IL. The competition is AHA/BJCP sanctioned and will accept all styles of beer, cider, and mead according to the 1999 BJCP style guidelines. It is a qualifying event for the 2000 Midwest Homebrewer of the Year Award. Once again, we'll feature the Menace of the Monastery, a special category for beer styles which recall the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales,plus German doppelbock. Requirements: 2 bottles. $5 fee per entry ($4 each for 5 or more entries) for the main competition; just $2 each for Menace entries. Entry deadline is Feb. 26. Many Options: Ship your entries to The Drunk Monk Challenge, c/o Two Brothers Brewery, 30W114 Butterfield Rd., Warrenville, IL 60555. Or drop them off in person at The Brewers Coop, located at Two Brothers Brewery; or at The Homebrew Shop, 1434 E. Main St. in St. Charles IL. Or bring them to the Feb. 24 UKG meeting at John's Buffet in Winfield, IL, or to CBS First Thursday on March 2 at Goose Island brewpub in Chicago. Judges and stewards can also bring entries on the morning of the competition. (First Thursday and competition-day entries must be preregistered by mailing paperwork and fees to our shipping address before Feb. 26.) Prizes: Ribbons for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each category plus BoS and Menace. 1st in the Best of Show and Menace of the Monastery rounds also receive a commemorative plaque. Complimentary DMC tasting glass for all volunteers. Speaking of Volunteers: Please help! BJCP judges and apprentices, please contact judge coordinator Joe Formanek (jformanek at griffithlabs.com, 630-378-4694) or competition chairman Steve McKenna (mckennst at earthlink.net, 630-305-0554) to volunteer. Fun stuff: Volunteers Party the night before. Potluck dinner at the brewery after the competition. Plus the ever-popular raffle. Information, Rules, and Entry Forms: Available at the competition website, http://www.synsysinc.com/srcoombs/ukgdmc/ukgdmc2k.htm, or contact Steve McKenna. Cheers!!! Joe Formanek --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from wubios.wustl.edu ([128.252.117.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771815A795 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from wubios8 (wubios8 [128.252.117.8]) by wubios.wustl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01273 Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:26:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000215130952.00b11d40 at wubios.wustl.edu> X-Sender: jack at wubios.wustl.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:25:52 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jack Baty Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > >From: John Varady Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Comp Q's > >I was sending beers off to some competitions this week (Boston & Brooklyn) >and I was disappointed to find out that both of these competitions only >allow a brewer to enter one brew per subcategory. This bums me out because I >have two Pilsners that I would like to have evaluated side by side. I want >feedback as to which is better and wanted some unbiased opinions (although >last weekends blue-ribbon gives me some indication). > >Can any competition organizers out there explain why this rule is in place? >If the primary purpose of a competition is to provide feedback to a brewer, >then the rule makes no sense. If the primary purpose is to hand out ribbons, >then I can see why it is so. > >John >John Varady The HomeBrew Recipe Calculating Program >Boneyard Brewing Custom Neon Beer Signs For Home Brewers >Glenside, PA Get More Information At: >rust1d at usa.net http://www.netaxs.com/~vectorsys/varady John, Send your beers to the St. Louis Brews' competition next December. There may be a rule about entering the same beer more than once in a given category but you can enter as many different beers as you want in a category. Use the competition as a way to compare yeasts, as Dennis Davison did several years ago when he entered a half-dozen or more bitters, or use it to compare different recipes. If you take both first and second, congratulations. I don't recall anyone griping when a brewer took first and second place with his American Pale Ale 3g and American Pale Ale 2g. Jack Baty jackb at beer.com St. Louis MO --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09143 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13680 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:47 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 02/15/00 - 02/16/00 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:00:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ RE: Multiple beers per category (Sherfey) multiple entries (Jeff Renner) Drunk Monk Challenge - Second Notice (Formanek, Joe) Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 (Jack Baty) --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from host.warwick.net ([204.255.24.254]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771115A07D for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:00:55 -0500 Received: from rastus (w128-4-p02.warwick.net [216.6.128.157]) by host.warwick.net (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with SMTP id e1FC0sf31407 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:00:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" From: "Sherfey" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: RE: Multiple beers per category Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message -----Original Message----- From: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest [mailto:judge at synchro.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:03 AM To: Digest Recipients Subject: Digest for the period 02/14/00 - 02/15/00 Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 (Reegleyj at aol.com) Best of Brooklyn 2000 (George de Piro) -------------------------------------------------------- From: Reegleyj at aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:43:41 EST Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 Of course people enter competitions to win ribbons, including yourself judging by your evident pride in your blue ribbon. If this rule weren't in place you could enter three bottles of the same beer and stand a good chance of taking first, second and third in the category. That's why this particular rule is standard. I've never seen a competition that didn't have it. Brad Reeg In a message dated 2/12/0 12:05:51 AM, judge at synchro.com wrote: >I was sending beers off to some competitions this week (Boston & Brooklyn) >and I was disappointed to find out that both of these competitions only >allow a brewer to enter one brew per subcategory. This bums me out because I >have two Pilsners that I would like to have evaluated side by side. I want >feedback as to which is better and wanted some unbiased opinions (although >last weekends blue-ribbon gives me some indication). > >Can any competition organizers out there explain why this rule is in place? >If the primary purpose of a competition is to provide feedback to a brewer, >then the rule makes no sense. If the primary purpose is to hand out ribbons, >then I can see why it is so. -------------------------------------------------------- From: George de Piro Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:01:23 -0500 Subject: Best of Brooklyn 2000 Hi all, If we are trying to limit the number of *wins* per category to only one per brewer, limiting the number of *entries* seems to be the wrong place to control this. Without that rule: if we just review the winners, and only award a brewer the highest award he got for that category, then all of the other beers that brewer placed just become *evaluation* entries. That way, the brewer also competes against himself and it's a fair competition. I always thought this rule was there to limit the number of entries in competitions where the judges pool wasn't large enough to support two lager tables and three pale ale tables.....etc. David Sherfey Warwick, NY --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.83.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771315A29E for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:25:09 -0500 Received: from [207.75.176.136] (pm461-30.dialip.mich.net [207.75.176.136]) by vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1/3.1r) with ESMTP id JAA23883 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:22:59 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: multiple entries X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message It seems to me that I've seen competitions in which more than one entry/category was allowed, but only one would be considered for an award, the others would be only judged. That would satisfy both concerns. Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from sentinel.griffithlabs.com ([208.134.193.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771415A421 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:53:32 -0500 Received: from sentinel.griffithlabs.com (root at localhost) by sentinel.griffithlabs.com with ESMTP id JAA27471 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:53:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from alsip-nt3.Griffithlabs.com (ALSIP-NT3.GRIFFITHLABS.COM [192.168.1.175]) by sentinel.griffithlabs.com with ESMTP id JAA27467 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:53:33 -0600 (CST) Received: by ALSIP-NT3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DYTS1QM>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:56:33 -0600 Message-ID: <4230C38A2B97D111B7250000F8004300013B01E9 at ALSIP-NT3> From: "Formanek, Joe" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Drunk Monk Challenge - Second Notice Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:56:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message This will serve as the second notice for the Drunk Monk Challenge. We still need judges!!! We will be accepting entries starting this coming Saturday, February 19th, at the address listed below. Thanks!!!! The Urban Knaves of Grain will host the 2nd Annual Drunk Monk Challenge homebrew competition on March 4 at Two Brothers Brewery in Warrenville, IL. The competition is AHA/BJCP sanctioned and will accept all styles of beer, cider, and mead according to the 1999 BJCP style guidelines. It is a qualifying event for the 2000 Midwest Homebrewer of the Year Award. Once again, we'll feature the Menace of the Monastery, a special category for beer styles which recall the monastic brewing traditions of Belgium and Germany: Belgian dubbel, tripel, pale, strong pale, and strong dark ales,plus German doppelbock. Requirements: 2 bottles. $5 fee per entry ($4 each for 5 or more entries) for the main competition; just $2 each for Menace entries. Entry deadline is Feb. 26. Many Options: Ship your entries to The Drunk Monk Challenge, c/o Two Brothers Brewery, 30W114 Butterfield Rd., Warrenville, IL 60555. Or drop them off in person at The Brewers Coop, located at Two Brothers Brewery; or at The Homebrew Shop, 1434 E. Main St. in St. Charles IL. Or bring them to the Feb. 24 UKG meeting at John's Buffet in Winfield, IL, or to CBS First Thursday on March 2 at Goose Island brewpub in Chicago. Judges and stewards can also bring entries on the morning of the competition. (First Thursday and competition-day entries must be preregistered by mailing paperwork and fees to our shipping address before Feb. 26.) Prizes: Ribbons for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each category plus BoS and Menace. 1st in the Best of Show and Menace of the Monastery rounds also receive a commemorative plaque. Complimentary DMC tasting glass for all volunteers. Speaking of Volunteers: Please help! BJCP judges and apprentices, please contact judge coordinator Joe Formanek (jformanek at griffithlabs.com, 630-378-4694) or competition chairman Steve McKenna (mckennst at earthlink.net, 630-305-0554) to volunteer. Fun stuff: Volunteers Party the night before. Potluck dinner at the brewery after the competition. Plus the ever-popular raffle. Information, Rules, and Entry Forms: Available at the competition website, http://www.synsysinc.com/srcoombs/ukgdmc/ukgdmc2k.htm, or contact Steve McKenna. Cheers!!! Joe Formanek --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from wubios.wustl.edu ([128.252.117.1]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC771815A795 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from wubios8 (wubios8 [128.252.117.8]) by wubios.wustl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01273 Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:26:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000215130952.00b11d40 at wubios.wustl.edu> X-Sender: jack at wubios.wustl.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:25:52 -0600 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jack Baty Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/11/00 - 02/12/00 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message > >From: John Varady Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Comp Q's > >I was sending beers off to some competitions this week (Boston & Brooklyn) >and I was disappointed to find out that both of these competitions only >allow a brewer to enter one brew per subcategory. This bums me out because I >have two Pilsners that I would like to have evaluated side by side. I want >feedback as to which is better and wanted some unbiased opinions (although >last weekends blue-ribbon gives me some indication). > >Can any competition organizers out there explain why this rule is in place? >If the primary purpose of a competition is to provide feedback to a brewer, >then the rule makes no sense. If the primary purpose is to hand out ribbons, >then I can see why it is so. > >John >John Varady The HomeBrew Recipe Calculating Program >Boneyard Brewing Custom Neon Beer Signs For Home Brewers >Glenside, PA Get More Information At: >rust1d at usa.net http://www.netaxs.com/~vectorsys/varady John, Send your beers to the St. Louis Brews' competition next December. There may be a rule about entering the same beer more than once in a given category but you can enter as many different beers as you want in a category. Use the competition as a way to compare yeasts, as Dennis Davison did several years ago when he entered a half-dozen or more bitters, or use it to compare different recipes. If you take both first and second, congratulations. I don't recall anyone griping when a brewer took first and second place with his American Pale Ale 3g and American Pale Ale 2g. Jack Baty jackb at beer.com St. Louis MO --Next_Part_SYNC772915AFCE--