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I've enjoyed the traffic about Zum Uerige grist but the possibility of tasting
any is remote at the moment. 

Here in Alabama we are getting Jubel Festbier which claims to be an Alt. (Note
that this is not the usual Jubel with the blue and silver label. This one comes
in bottles painted to look like stoneware decorated and with one of a variety
of colorful decals. I had never seen this beer until late last fall.) 

To me, Jubel Festbier tastes as under-attenuated as one would expect from a
grist composed of mostly Munich malt. I would like to solicit comments on how
Jubel Festbier compares to Zum Uerige and how well it qualifies as a commercial
example of alt.

Doug McCullough
President-Birmingham BrewMasters


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Well, Jeff's post seems to confirm George's reading of the ZU bottle.
I sure hope that they didn't change the recipe!  It's either that or
the brewmaster was intentionally leading me astray.  I know that when
I brewed a ZU clone with 89% DWC Munich and 11% DWC Aromatic, it came
out tasting very much like the ZU I tasted there, when fermented with
Wyeast #1338.


On the (empty, alas) bottles I have in the basement (from 1995):


dat lecker Droeppke[?] <- hard to tell... first letter is script (Gothic?)

Uerige Alt

Abfuelltag 25. 07.

4,3% vol Alkohol

Mindestens halfbar bis 25. 08.

Aus feinstem Malz und bestem Hopfen gebraut im Uerige

Duesseldorfer Altstadt
Bergerstrasse 1

0,5 l

which translates to:

[dat] tastiest [Droeppke?]

Uerige Alt

Filling up day July 25

4.3% Alcohol by volume

Consumable at least until August 25

Brewed at Uerige from the finest malt and best hops

Duesseldorf, Old Town
1 Berger Street

0.5 liter


Note that 4.3%ABV from roughly 1.046-1.048 OG is quite a *low* attenuation.


I also wrote down the labels from a Zum Schlussel bottle, but I'm just too
tired to type it all in.  I would like to mention that it is roughly a
1.050 OG beer and that the label says 5.0% Alcohol by volume, which is
an attenuation more line with a Pils malt base.  What is the ABV on that
bottle you have, George?  Is it still 4.3%?


Al.

Al Korzonas, Lockport, Illinois, USA
korz at brewinfo.com
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I've enjoyed the traffic about Zum Uerige grist but the possibility of tasting
any is remote at the moment. 

Here in Alabama we are getting Jubel Festbier which claims to be an Alt. (Note
that this is not the usual Jubel with the blue and silver label. This one comes
in bottles painted to look like stoneware decorated and with one of a variety
of colorful decals. I had never seen this beer until late last fall.) 

To me, Jubel Festbier tastes as under-attenuated as one would expect from a
grist composed of mostly Munich malt. I would like to solicit comments on how
Jubel Festbier compares to Zum Uerige and how well it qualifies as a commercial
example of alt.

Doug McCullough
President-Birmingham BrewMasters


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Well, Jeff's post seems to confirm George's reading of the ZU bottle.
I sure hope that they didn't change the recipe!  It's either that or
the brewmaster was intentionally leading me astray.  I know that when
I brewed a ZU clone with 89% DWC Munich and 11% DWC Aromatic, it came
out tasting very much like the ZU I tasted there, when fermented with
Wyeast #1338.


On the (empty, alas) bottles I have in the basement (from 1995):


dat lecker Droeppke[?] <- hard to tell... first letter is script (Gothic?)

Uerige Alt

Abfuelltag 25. 07.

4,3% vol Alkohol

Mindestens halfbar bis 25. 08.

Aus feinstem Malz und bestem Hopfen gebraut im Uerige

Duesseldorfer Altstadt
Bergerstrasse 1

0,5 l

which translates to:

[dat] tastiest [Droeppke?]

Uerige Alt

Filling up day July 25

4.3% Alcohol by volume

Consumable at least until August 25

Brewed at Uerige from the finest malt and best hops

Duesseldorf, Old Town
1 Berger Street

0.5 liter


Note that 4.3%ABV from roughly 1.046-1.048 OG is quite a *low* attenuation.


I also wrote down the labels from a Zum Schlussel bottle, but I'm just too
tired to type it all in.  I would like to mention that it is roughly a
1.050 OG beer and that the label says 5.0% Alcohol by volume, which is
an attenuation more line with a Pils malt base.  What is the ABV on that
bottle you have, George?  Is it still 4.3%?


Al.

Al Korzonas, Lockport, Illinois, USA
korz at brewinfo.com
http://www.brewinfo.com/brewinfo/
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