Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01100 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA29326 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 01/21/00 - 01/22/00 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Out to lunch? (Jeff Renner) --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.83.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC711213EC24 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:59:21 -0500 Received: from [207.75.177.232] (pm468-30.dialip.mich.net [207.75.177.232]) by vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1/3.1r) with ESMTP id IAA00848 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:59:23 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:58:53 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Out to lunch? X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message >"Nunchion", the medieval word for alcohol enjoyed at the midday meal, >was a combination of "noon scheken", which meant noon drinking. A large >chunk of bread was called "lunch". Eating bread with nunchion resulted in >our modern word, luncheon. -- Beer Fact, 365 Bottles of Beer for the Year Under the category, "You shouldn't believe everything you read," this appears to be untrue, at least according to the 2nd edition of Oxford English Dictionary, a pretty authoritative source. >From OED: lunch, sb.2 [Perh. evolved from lump sb.1, on the analogy of the apparent relation between hump and hunch, bump and bunch. Cf. `Lounge, a large lump, as of bread or cheese' (Brockett N. Country Words, ed. 2, 1829). It is curious that the word first appears as a rendering of the (at that time) like-sounding Sp. lonja slice of ham. luncheon, commonly believed to be a derivative of lunch, occurs in our quots. 11 years earlier, with its present spelling. In sense 2 lunch was an abbreviation of luncheon, first appearing about 1829, when it was regarded either as a vulgarism or as a fashionable affectation. ] *** luncheon Also 7 lunchen, lunchion, lunching, 7-8 lunchin, 8 lunshin. [Related in some way to lunch sb.2The ordinary view, that the spelling lunching represents the etymological form, appears somewhat unlikely. In our quots. the earliest form is luncheon, and this appears in our quots. earlier than lunch; and there is no evidence of a derivative verb in the 16-17th c. It is possible that luncheon might have been extended from lunch on the analogy of the relation between punch, puncheon, trunch, truncheon. ] And a search in OED for "nunchion" yields: "0 matches." While I'm at it, I am suspicious of the often cited alleged quote from Benjamin Franklin, "Beer is proof that God exists and want us to be happy," and variations on it. I've also seen it with wine rather than beer, and also in both forms attributed to Thomas Jefferson as well. Has anyone ever seen this authoritatively attributed? Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01100 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA29326 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 01/21/00 - 01/22/00 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Out to lunch? (Jeff Renner) --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu ([141.211.83.35]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC711213EC24 for judge at synchro.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:59:21 -0500 Received: from [207.75.177.232] (pm468-30.dialip.mich.net [207.75.177.232]) by vivalasvegas.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.9.1/3.1r) with ESMTP id IAA00848 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:59:23 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nerenner at n.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:58:53 -0500 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: Jeff Renner Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Out to lunch? X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message >"Nunchion", the medieval word for alcohol enjoyed at the midday meal, >was a combination of "noon scheken", which meant noon drinking. A large >chunk of bread was called "lunch". Eating bread with nunchion resulted in >our modern word, luncheon. -- Beer Fact, 365 Bottles of Beer for the Year Under the category, "You shouldn't believe everything you read," this appears to be untrue, at least according to the 2nd edition of Oxford English Dictionary, a pretty authoritative source. >From OED: lunch, sb.2 [Perh. evolved from lump sb.1, on the analogy of the apparent relation between hump and hunch, bump and bunch. Cf. `Lounge, a large lump, as of bread or cheese' (Brockett N. Country Words, ed. 2, 1829). It is curious that the word first appears as a rendering of the (at that time) like-sounding Sp. lonja slice of ham. luncheon, commonly believed to be a derivative of lunch, occurs in our quots. 11 years earlier, with its present spelling. In sense 2 lunch was an abbreviation of luncheon, first appearing about 1829, when it was regarded either as a vulgarism or as a fashionable affectation. ] *** luncheon Also 7 lunchen, lunchion, lunching, 7-8 lunchin, 8 lunshin. [Related in some way to lunch sb.2The ordinary view, that the spelling lunching represents the etymological form, appears somewhat unlikely. In our quots. the earliest form is luncheon, and this appears in our quots. earlier than lunch; and there is no evidence of a derivative verb in the 16-17th c. It is possible that luncheon might have been extended from lunch on the analogy of the relation between punch, puncheon, trunch, truncheon. ] And a search in OED for "nunchion" yields: "0 matches." While I'm at it, I am suspicious of the often cited alleged quote from Benjamin Franklin, "Beer is proof that God exists and want us to be happy," and variations on it. I've also seen it with wine rather than beer, and also in both forms attributed to Thomas Jefferson as well. Has anyone ever seen this authoritatively attributed? Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, c/o nerenner at umich.edu "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943. --Next_Part_SYNC712913FA9B--