Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05695 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA17362 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 08/28/99 - 08/29/99 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:01:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ organization skills (Nathaniel P. Lansing) --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from spamgaad.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.147]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC3608C2137 for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:41:02 -0400 Received: (from mailgate at localhost) by spamgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id IAA18433 for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:40:42 -0400 From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Subject: organization skills Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: <199908280840_MC2-82B5-90EF at compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Gary wonders about the "behavior" of a competition organizer and the pers= on in question responds:>>" I've traveled extensively to 46 different countries. Who do you think encouraged 80 percent of the people to enter the competition in the first place?<< Obviously the person thinks he's some kind of homebrew hero and beyond reproach. >>Then to = have one of the two certified judges that did show up, make a mockery of = the process and insult the homebrewers in the audience.<< Then the organizer should have said something to correct the situation, a= nd why was there an "audience" ? Judging is hard enough without being under the scrutiny of an "audience."= >> Well I've found my experience with BJCP certified judges is a thorough lack of = professionalism.<< Funny but that is what I've found with most of the national ranked judges= , here's a real case of the pot calling the kettle black. >>my father owns a hop wholesale company (43 varieties). I brew probably 3-4 times a week. I bag= 3-4 hop orders a day!<< Now that_certainly_puts him beyond reproach, you should bow down and kiss= the feet of someone that can bag hops. = One thing he makes clear, he doesn't value or want your judging ability, probably doesn't want your entries either, they already have more than th= ey can deal with. Screw him. My great-grandfather, an Inuit tribe elder, told me before departing on= an ice floe, "A man_must_be able to harpoon his own walrus, a man should = be able to defend himself against a bear with his knife and spear, but a man= should_never_never_argue with an icehole." --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05695 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.136.73]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA17362 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 08/28/99 - 08/29/99 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:01:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ organization skills (Nathaniel P. Lansing) --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from spamgaad.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.147]) by synchro.com with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id SYNC3608C2137 for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:41:02 -0400 Received: (from mailgate at localhost) by spamgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id IAA18433 for judge at synchro.com; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:40:42 -0400 From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Subject: organization skills Sender: judge at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-ID: <199908280840_MC2-82B5-90EF at compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Gary wonders about the "behavior" of a competition organizer and the pers= on in question responds:>>" I've traveled extensively to 46 different countries. Who do you think encouraged 80 percent of the people to enter the competition in the first place?<< Obviously the person thinks he's some kind of homebrew hero and beyond reproach. >>Then to = have one of the two certified judges that did show up, make a mockery of = the process and insult the homebrewers in the audience.<< Then the organizer should have said something to correct the situation, a= nd why was there an "audience" ? Judging is hard enough without being under the scrutiny of an "audience."= >> Well I've found my experience with BJCP certified judges is a thorough lack of = professionalism.<< Funny but that is what I've found with most of the national ranked judges= , here's a real case of the pot calling the kettle black. >>my father owns a hop wholesale company (43 varieties). I brew probably 3-4 times a week. I bag= 3-4 hop orders a day!<< Now that_certainly_puts him beyond reproach, you should bow down and kiss= the feet of someone that can bag hops. = One thing he makes clear, he doesn't value or want your judging ability, probably doesn't want your entries either, they already have more than th= ey can deal with. Screw him. My great-grandfather, an Inuit tribe elder, told me before departing on= an ice floe, "A man_must_be able to harpoon his own walrus, a man should = be able to defend himself against a bear with his knife and spear, but a man= should_never_never_argue with an icehole." --Next_Part_SYNC3625C2948--