Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.26]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01987 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA12742 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 02/02/99 - 02/03/99 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 02/01/99 - 02/02/99 (Robert Paolino) Information Dispersion (Jim Liddil) "Dues" issue, revenues (Scott Bickham) BJCP Communications (Eric R. Theiner) APA guidelines (Guy Burgess) Re: Digest for the period 02/01/99 - 02/02/99 (Lyle C. Brown) date changes (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jay_Hersh_aka_Dr._Beer=AE=22?=) Drunk Monk Challenge (Steve McKenna) --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC864060141; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:07:05 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA16199 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16172 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth (rpaolino at earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id HAA26557 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:05:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:05:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Paolino Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Sender: rpaolino at earth To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/01/99 - 02/02/99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, JudgeNet - the beer judge digest wrote: Steve Ashton wrote: > Robert: > I already get it once in my email, why would I want it in my postal > mailbox... and why should we subject anyone else to it? > > There are a lot of people who don't get this and hopefully over a three > month period something worthwhile will have been submitted. If you feel > that way, then why do you subscribe? The comment was made in the context of, and in response to, the high volume of "noise" and personal attacks. I subscribe because I hope to find intelligent discussion of styles, how-tos of running competitions, judging, et cetera. If there were more of that sort of thing (and sometimes there is), it would be worth distributing to people who don't use e-mail. But as Ed notes, indirectly in his comment about lack of contributions, someone still has to sort through it to put it in useful form for publication. Now go have a beer.... --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC864260160; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:29:28 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA19625 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from VMS.Arizona.EDU (SYSTEM at VMS.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.131]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19420 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dorrnt2.azcc.arizona.edu by VMS.ARIZONA.EDU (PMDF V5.2-29 #31138) with ESMTP id <01J79FKK7OEO000AHD at VMS.ARIZONA.EDU> for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:27:44 MST Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:29:04 +0000 From: Jim Liddil Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Information Dispersion In-reply-to: Originator-info: login-id=jliddil; server=vms.arizona.edu To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Message-id: <3116110741.917944144 at dorrnt2.azcc.arizona.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [1.4.0, s/n U-301116] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO --On Tuesday, February 02, 1999, 1:01 AM -0500 JudgeNet - the beer judge digest wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------- > From: judge-owner Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:00:04 -0500 > Subject: JudgeNet Monthly Information Posting > Gee, look judgenet can keep us informed once a month. Possibly some scripts could be written to allow easy updating of the bjcp.org site via forms and scripts. hbd.org has implemented such a thing. And the script for comp submisson needs some rule checking since it can be submitted blank. After I get up to speed on html/javascripts/forms I'll try to take a stab at it. > Phil Doersam > Las Vegas, Nevada > BJCP Certified and GABF Beer Judge Excellent post. > From: Walz, Greg Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:37 -0500 > Subject: BJCP Newsletter > IMHO, the "BJCP Reporter" newsletter is being done as a benefit of BJCP > membership, primarily to keep informed those judges who do not have > Internet access and can't link up to the home page. Persons with > Internet access really don't need a newsletter - the news on the > homepage (and oftentimes this forum) will always be more current. Will it? The coming soon banner for the point database has been that way for a year. And people keep talking about committees. I see no mention of committees or which ones to volunteer for on the bjcp site. Yes it would be grreat if we never had to ask for anything, but life is not that way. At least scott and jay ask for graders on a regular basis. I volunteered for the stylke committee wrt belgian ales and never heard a thing. > Unfortunately, if we want a regularly-published (i.e., monthly or > bi-monthly) newsletter, sooner or later we will be forced to begin > charging annual dues. I, for one, don't think it's worth it when you > can get the necessary news or information from the home page or by > dropping an e-mail message to your rep. I dropped an e-mail to all the name at bjcp.org over a week ago about two things and never heard anything back. The message did not bounce. I also queried my regional rep seperately. Jay wrote: > My understanding is that sanctioning fees are minimal, and comprise a very > small part of our total income, certainly not sufficient to sustain > operations. Well if we ever saw a financial statement we would know wouldn't we? I hate to make analogies but the BJCP is beginning to look like the AOB. If there is nothing wrong with our financial state and all the numbers are fine etc. then publish them an let us see how things stand. Continually ignoring the critics, if there is nothing to hide, is not the correct approach in my view. Jim Liddil National --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC86436016E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:05:54 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA29003 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost3.lanl.gov (mailhost3.lanl.gov [128.165.3.9]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28707 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from t4.lanl.gov (t4.lanl.gov [128.165.124.150]) by mailhost3.lanl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2/(cic-5, 1/3/99)) with ESMTP id JAA09665 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from atom.lanl.gov (atom.lanl.gov [128.165.124.151]) by t4.lanl.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09523 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:01:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from srb at localhost) by atom.lanl.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03480 for judge at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:01:39 -0700 (MST) From: Scott Bickham Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Message-Id: <199902021601.JAA03480 at atom.lanl.gov> Subject: "Dues" issue, revenues To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:01:39 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: from "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" at Feb 2, 99 01:01:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO Just want to clarify a couple of issues. As far as dues, the confusion lies in a statement in the first BJCP Reporter that it any judge was feeling "flush" with enthusiasm for the new independent BJCP, donations would be welcome. These were not dues, but were appreciated nonetheless. As far as finances, just count the BJCP registered competitions. A generous estimate would be fifty per year, at $35 a pop. Compare this to the 300-400 BJCP exams, which provide $24 or $40 after the proctor's and spomsor's allowances have been deducted. Although grading the exams and mailing results consumes a good part of the revenue, it's clear that the exam program is driving the BJCP. I am not in a position to offer a detailed analysis of our finances, but our bank account has not grown significantly since we were dropped by the AHA. There was a modest initial balance which was transferred from the AHA, but only after considerable effort on the part of Pat Baker, and the $5000 donation by Boston Beer Co. was a huge windfall. But as Ed pointed out, newsletters, annual point updates, quarterly promotions, study guides and pins for National and Master judges are all significant expenses. They are useful and necessary, but considering that the average BJCP exam with seven first-time participants nets less than $200, we need more than five sets of exams to produce a single newsletter. I would also like to emphasize Ed's statement that the newsletter does not write itself. I have been involved with a number of homebrew cluds which have evolved to the state where most of the articles are written by a single member. The rest are often pulled from the net. Yes, we could send out a single page with the competition and exam schedule, but is it worth using 10-15% of our annual revenue to do this without inclusion of some informative articles on judging or style? Not in my opinion! Scott Bickham bickham at trail.com --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC864360170; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:05:54 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA29717 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.skantech.com (mail.skantech.net [208.12.236.243]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29204 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from skantech.com [208.12.239.48] by mail.skantech.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A23B2801B6; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:05:15 EDT Message-ID: <36B722DB.C86A8CD8 at skantech.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:07:56 -0500 From: "Eric R. Theiner" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: BJCP Communications Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO I've never posted before because I've been happy to sit back and lurk. I haven't really paid much attention to the organization, since judging is my primary interest (in this realm) and I figured the BJCP could take care of itself. But now... Greg Walz, who I believe is my Rep (being in North Carolina), states: > So there are really only two logical choices - annual dues and a regular newsletter, or > keeping things the way they are (points statement free once a year and newsletters > whenever we can). Looks like a no-brainer to me. We are a volunteer organization-- that means people do this when it is convenient to them. Most of the time they aren't going to come looking for more responsibility or more events, but sometimes they'll come when they're called. A newsletter is one more way to call them. In our local homebrew club, our Communications Director is a very busy man. Sometimes the newsletter goes out with a hitch, sometimes it's late, and sometimes it doesn't go. You can see the involvement ebb and flow with the newsletter. Are people calling to see when the next meeting is, or where, or when the next group brew is happening? Sometimes. But 90% of the membership won't bother. I am happy to be a part of the BJCP, but if the only communication with the membership is going to occur when someone bothers to ask what is going on, we're doomed to always be a two-bit organization. Look at the AHA-- lot's of complaints about them, but the BJCP, as I see it, is nothing compared to their influence and name recognition. And they started out on a volunteer basis, too-- with a newsletter! They've got their problems, but at least people see them as approachable and responsive. And finally-- "if you're not happy, do something about it." I have long believed in that, but what is there to do? I don't even know what Greg Walz does as my Rep. And, no, I'm not going to bother to look it up-- that's something that should have been communicated to membership on the outset. I got a 9 out of 10 (because the grader didn't like my semantics) on explaining how the BJCP scoring works, but I still don't know how the organization is run. Nor do I really care to find out, but if someone sends it to me in a newsletter, I'll gaurantee that I'll read it. Maybe I will join a committee in a few years-- when I have time (ha!). Until then, I guess I'm just doomed to be uninformed. Eric "Rick" Theiner LOGIC, Inc. P.S. Do we have any marketing guru's in the BJCP? Is the statistic that for every one customer who complains, there are another 20 who don't bother? --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC8645601E3; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:58:44 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA22514 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (ns2.fuse.net [206.230.21.10]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22337 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from fuse.com (excelsior-81.fuse.net [216.68.43.81]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23288 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:58:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B75B27.75FA6574 at fuse.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:08:23 -0500 From: Guy Burgess Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Organization: Oriental Wok X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: APA guidelines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO I am relatively new to judging and my first competition had me judge a somewhat large flight of American Pale Ales. My question concerns how to properly judge an APA and is directed to all of you with greater experience in the style. I believe spicy Saaz to be the hallmark of Bohemian Pilsner, toasty sweet Munich malt necessary for a Bock, etc... But what of APA? What is the imperative quality of an APA? The style guidelines say "American hop character," yet American hops such as Cascade, Willamette, Chinook, and Columbus are really quite varied in their contribution. Is it therefore a question of balance given the chosen hops? If it is a question of balance, how do you go about removing your own prejudice from the process? I have found that I just don't care for the contribution made by Columbus hops. I know that given otherwise identical beers, I would give the nod to the one made without Columbus. I know this isn't fair, but I know this to be the truth. Thanks for the help Guy Burgess Cincinnati, OH --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC865260225; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:10:12 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA23128 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23053 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2HBWK5G; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:06:53 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:50:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 02/01/99 - 02/02/99 Message-ID: <19990202.200428.-168693.2.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,10-11,13-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lyle C. Brown" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO Greg Walz writes: "Persons with Internet access really don't need a newsletter - the news on the homepage (and oftentimes this forum) will always be more current. " Here, I must STRONGLY disagree!! The website is good, and I appreciate the time and efforts of the volunteers who keep it up, but it is DEFINITELY NOT always current. Take for example the points database, which was advertised as "coming soon" for nearly a year. Now it has apparently dissapeared completely. I have never found the exam and competition schedule to be anywhere near complete, and seldom current. Lyle C. Brown ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC865360232; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:46:32 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA08499 for postmaster at synchro.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA08429 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20410 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:46:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drbeer at doctorbeer.com) Received: from drbeer (p57.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [207.60.61.58]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA12820 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:46:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drbeer at doctorbeer.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:46:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902030246.VAA12820 at mail-out-3.tiac.net> X-Sender: drbeer at pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jay_Hersh_aka_Dr._Beer=AE=22?=" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: date changes Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO >From: Phil & Sara Doersam Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:23:04 -0800 > >Jay Hersh writes: >>Competition and Exam Schedules change constantly. As soon as we put a >>newsletter together and got it mailed it would be out of date. > >I disagree. When a club sets a date for their competition, it is rare that >they are forced to change that date. In those few instances where they do >make a change, a smart judge would have called/written/e-mailed prior to >the event to let the organizer know their intentions of attending. This is >one of the lamest excuses I have heard yet for not putting out a newsletter. not what I meant at all. Examinations and Competitions are added constantly. A deadline for publishing must be set pretty well ahead, probably 4-8 weeks to allow for editing, printing, and addressing the newsletters. We're dealing with sending out thousands of copies, not dozens, there is a significant difference in labor required. Another 1-2 weeks in the mail and we're up to over 2-2.5 months. In the Northeast I rarely receive notification af a competition more than 6-8 weeks in advance. The Boston Homebrew comptition didn't finalize a date until 6 weeks before. Scott and I endeavor to get exams scheduled at least 12 weeks ahead, but that doesn't happen as much as we would like. The point I was making in saying that things change isn't that any particular event changes, but that the entire schedule itself changes in the time it takes to get you the info. I'd bet that by the time you received the newsletter a significant number of events that might be occurring after you received it would not have made it onto the schedule. >We have a lot of cash right now? Good, I hope so, but I have not seen a >financial report since the May 15, 1998 mailing that included our balance >sheet as of December 31, 1997. Also, to say that there is no substantive A year end report, published several months later is a quite typical mode of operation. I bet some or most of the mutual funds or stocks you might own work just this way. You have more at stake there, but that seems reasonable. >info to publish is complete crap! Excellent information such as: exam >schedule, competition schedule, I don't think it's appropriate for the BJCP to publish competition results, it's of limited interest to the membership at large. competition schedule: see above >contact info for elected & appointed officials, annual changes for each region once every 2 years. How many newsletters do you need to get with this. >meeting date and location or results of said meeting, financial updates and cyberspace, as required. We don't have a travel budget to have board meetings. We are not some large company. >annual budget information, election coverage, committee information, >statistics on our organization (# of exams given in last quarter, # of >judges broken down by rank, etc.), etc. What we don't need is a half page >cartoon. If the BJCP Reporter has enough info for 2-pages (1 piece of I don't know about you but when I'm not working and doing other important personal things, I'm busy sending out exams and arranging fo rtheir scoring. At the end of the year we submit budgets and numbers on the exams. I'm not about to sit around and create statistical sets so you can have something in your mailbox. >If there were nothing to say, I'd also agree. But I can't imagine there is >nothing to say about the BJCP. Maybe we should dump Judge Net if that's how >you feel :-) The BJCP is not a homebrew club or any other kind of club. We're also not a publishing house with a full-time paid staff like the AHA, which you cite as being "approachable and responsive"; we're VOLUNTEERS.. What the BJCP "IS", however, is a certifying organization. We develop and administer a test that allows us to certify to the world that you know how to judge beer. We keep track of your personal experience growth through the point system and keep you posted yearly as to where you stand. We also develop style guidelines, which is the "common language" of beer evaluation. Finally, we sanction competitions - which means that, by sanctioning, we assure those who enter sanctioned competitions that their beers will be judged fairly and competently in a proven, standardized manner. That's it! That's all we do! we're VOLUNTEERS.. >One last point. The reporting of our finances and non-profit tax >information to all members needs to regularly occur as outlined in the >By-Laws. By not doing so, suspicions are raised (hopefully needlessly) >about our assets and tax status. There is too much money at stake here >(enough for temptation to come into play) to do otherwise. > This is presently being worked upon. Have you filed your taxes yet? we're VOLUNTEERS.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalt's --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC865660280; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:32:14 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA01451 for postmaster at synchro.com; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA01398 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:29:50 -0500 Sender: judge at synchro.com Received: from stm2 (chi-qbu-nve-vty71.as.wcom.net [209.154.108.71]) by dub-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id AAA11568; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:29:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601be4f36$1cb1df80$476c9ad1 at stm2> From: "Steve McKenna" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Drunk Monk Challenge Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:28:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO The Urban Knaves of Grain Present The 1st Annual DRUNK MONK CHALLENGE AHA/BJCP-sanctioned homebrew competition March 6, 1999 at Founders Hill Brewery, Downers Grove, IL This is the first event in the race for 1999 Midwest Homebrewer of the Year. Accepting all AHA categories of beer, mead, and cider, plus THE MENACE OF THE MONASTERY, a special category for the best beer in a style traditionally associated with monks: Belgian dubbel (2b), tripel (2c), pale (2d), strong pale (2e), and strong dark (2f), and German doppelbock (12c). Entries: $5 each for 1-4 entries, $4 each for 5 or more entries. Menace of the Monastery entries are $2 each (counted separately). Two bottles required (just one for Menace), all the usual rules. Awards: ribbons for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each category judged, plus 1st-2nd-3rd Best of Show and 1st-2nd-3rd Menace of the Monastery. 1st place BoS receives a one-year membership in the AHA; 1st place Menace receives a free entry in the 1999 AHA National Homebrew Competition. Raffle will be held after the competition for volunteers. Deadline: Entries must arrive between February 20 and 27. Ship to: The Drunk Monk Challenge, c/o Two Brothers Brewery, 30W114 Butterfield Rd., Warrenville, IL 60555. Drop-offs: You may also drop off your entries in person at Two Brothers Brewery, Founders Hill Brewery, or Beer in a Box (Winfield, IL). In addition, we will accept entries at the CBS 1st Thursday meeting at Goose Island Brewery in Chicago on March 4. Since this is after the entry deadline, those bringing entries on March 4 MUST pre-register by mailing entry forms and fees to the Two Brothers address before Feb. 27. Judges and stewards may bring entries with them on competition day, but only if they are pre-registered by Feb. 27. Social: volunteers' party will be held on Friday night, March 5. Potluck on Saturday after the competition. Details to be announced later. Beds For Brewers will be available for out-of-town volunteers. Judges needed! For judge/steward info, please contact Joe Formanek, jformanek at griffithlabs.com, 630-378-4694 (H). For entry info, contact Shane Coombs, srcoombs at synsysinc.com, 630-393-7303 (H), 630-820-5150 (W). Even more info, including entry forms: see the Drunk Monk Challenge website, http://www.synsysinc.com/srcoombs/ukgdmc.htm, or the UKG website, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stmckenna/ukg.html. --Next_Part_SYNC8657602AE--