Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.26]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05797 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13429 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:09:23 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 01/29/99 - 01/30/99 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:04:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 01/25/99 - 01/26/99 (beerking1 at juno.com) Black Knight (Gordon Strong) Newsletter frequency (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jay_Hersh_aka_Dr._Beer=AE=22?=) --Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC85425F208; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:24:46 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA04370 for postmaster at synchro.com; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA04288 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:21:01 -0500 (EST) From: beerking1 at juno.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZ5J5SJE; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:22:16 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:40:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 01/25/99 - 01/26/99 Message-ID: <19990129.062050.-84925.2.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5-6,11-12,16-24,28-29,32-33,38-40,42-43,46 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO In the recent Digest, Ed Westemeier makes a few points which I must disagree with. He first states: >The _BJCP Reporter_ has never promised to appear on any particular >schedule. In the first issue, the editor said he hoped it would be possible to publish it quarterly, but it certainly wasn't a >promise. That may have been what was stated in the first issue, but in the mailing I received before the first issue of the points report (the predecessor to the newsletter), it was promised to be published quarterly. This mailing promised a quarterly update on points record and important news and events in the program. Ironically enough, the purpose of that mailing was to solicit PAID SUBSCRIPTIONS. I paid for a subscription, on the assumption that (as stated) only those who paid the subscription would get the newsletter. This further obviates Ed's next point: >Another minor, but still important point is that it costs a minimum of >half a dollar to put a copy of the newsletter in your mailbox. That's >using a very economical printer and bulk rate postage. It costs >considerably more for the many non-U.S. members. Since no annual dues >are charged, perhaps it's best not to publish just for the sake of >publishing. True, the BJCP doesn't cover annual dues, but some of us DID PAY for a subscription to the infrequent newsletter. Complaining about how much is costs to mail the newsletter is hardly a valid concern to someone who paid significantly more than "a minimum of a half a dollar." I note with amusement that soon after I paid for my subscription the report was made generally available. Such a move would make it reasonable to expect refunds to those who paid, which has of course not occurred. I appreciate the BJCP, and enjoy participating very much. I especially appreciate the many volunteers who devote time and energy to keeping the program running and to improving it. What I don't appreciate is hearing whining and excuse making from those self same people regarding functions which have been promised to, and even paid for by members. Lyle C. Brown National Judge (If I ever get acknowledgement for the last 3 competitions I judged in last spring, including 2 BOS rounds!) I don't even remember how much I paid, and it isn't real important. I don't even expect a newsletter when there is nothing to report. But the newsletter ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC85465F229; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:06 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA13902 for postmaster at synchro.com; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13615 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 38.27.181.88 (ip88.dayton5.oh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.181.88]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08582 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36B1C34D.30C8 at earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:18:54 -0400 From: Gordon Strong Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Subject: Black Knight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO Lyle Brown asks about Holsten Black Knight. I picked up some of this for a exam prep class I was giving last year when I couldn't find Kulmbacher Monschof Scwartzbier. To make a long story short, after tasting it I apologized to the class and picked up some Kostritzer for the following week. It's black, it's beer, but it's not schwartzbier. I think the BJCP has a category for it: continental dark. I don't recall it having any roasty flavors, significant bitterness or otherwise swartzbier flavors. I think it was more like a Dark. Stick to Kostritzer if you want a schwartzbier. Try one next to a Munich Dunkel (e.g. Ayinger, Paulaner or Tabernash) and a Vienna (e.g. Great Lakes Eliot Ness) for an interesting comparison of flavors and finishes. Gordon Strong Beavercreek, Ohio strongg at earthlink.net --Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC85555F262; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:14:35 -0500 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA24910 for postmaster at synchro.com; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24779 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25595 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:13:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drbeer at doctorbeer.com) Received: from drbeer (p4.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [207.60.61.5]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA24099 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:15:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:15:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901300015.TAA24099 at mail-out-1.tiac.net> X-Sender: drbeer at pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Jay_Hersh_aka_Dr._Beer=AE=22?=" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Subject: Newsletter frequency Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message Status: RO > >I realize this is getting old quickly but the fact is we should have a >regular newsletter, articles or no articles. There is always BJCP news, >competition announcements and exam schedules. There are several Competition and Exam Schedules change constantly. As soon as we put a newsletter together and got it mailed it would be out of date. To my knowledge there are no/few committees active right now. Looking at the score sheet committee of 97, there was precious little to report. Lots of discussion and the occassional vote. It is also my opinion that the last thing the committees need is people not engaged in the regular discussion of the committee weighing in on it's progress or decisions based on updates in the newsletter. There is nothing that can bring a committee effort to a halt like having people second guess it's decisions as it works. If you really want to voice an opinion join a committee. I'm certain that the current administration will be as good as or better than the prior one at publishing calls for volunteers (something which the newsletter WOULD be appropriate for) for committees. Results of committees when finalized are released to the general membership (like the score sheet or style guidelines). Nothing is cast in stone, and it is appropriate that we can and do review the components of our organization on a recurring basis, so there are sure to be future opportunities to participate. >progress. You could even grab submissions from this forum to be republished >for the rest of the judges that don't read Judge Digest, call it Best of >the Digest. Simply, leave the articles to the magazines and keep the have we talked about ANYTHING substantial here recently other than all the back and forth on the rumblings eminating from the NE kingdom??? I just can't imagine that people want to have the BJCP spend it's on publishing that kind of poop.... One other thing people forget about the BJCP finance structure. Their is no annual dues. The test fee is it. For as long as you participate in the BJCP you need never pay more than that first fee (yes in reality most people will take the exam more than once, but that cost is reduced on retakes). These one time fees need to cover mailing costs, administrative costs for grading and other business, and other one time costs for things like SW. So while it looks like we have a lot of cash right now, the BJCP is a pyramid financing scheme (like social security). As long as we grow we have ongoing/increasing funds. If participation levels out or decreases we will need to rely on cash reserves, or start charging annual dues. Publishing a newsletter just for the sake of it when there is no substantive info to communicate seems to be to be counter to what long term fiscal planning might dictate. All personal opinions, Jay H. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalt's --Next_Part_SYNC85615F2F4--