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First  is hopefully a little easier to read version of the KCBM Competition
Post

Second is a response to a post.

In Brewing,

John R. Weerts

From: Steven Ford  Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:09:54 -0800
Subject: KCBM Homebrew Competition



The Kansas City Bier Meisters are pleased to announce its 16th Annual
Homebrew Competition.  The event is sponsored by Bacchus and Barleycorn,
Ltd. and is sanctioned by the American Homebrewers Association as a regional
competition.  The competition is a Qualifying Event for the Masters
Championship of Amateur Brewers and a qualifer for the Mo-Kan Brewer of the
Year Compeition.

Judging will be Feb. 19 and 20 at the Flying Monkey Brewery in Merriam, Kan.
Awards will be announced following the Best of Show judging and a Texas
Round-Up Dinner prepard by Professor Danial Turner, CWC/Club Chef.

Special guests George and Laurie Fix will give a talk on "Non-additive
Brewing" over breakfast on Feb. 20 and a pub-crawil featuring eight local
brewpubs in also on the agenda.

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http://www.kcbiermeisters.org or by contacting Competition Director Steven
Ford competition at kcbiermeisters.org

Steve Ford



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From: Nathaniel P. Lansing  Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:15:14 -0500
Subject: Recording points




Lyle Brown mentions a few competitions that don't have the points recorded;
Lyle if these are AHA comps then the AHA is to blame.

It may or may not be the AHA. We file our points through AHA and they get
posted. I am waiting for points from the first competition that I was
allowed to judge BOS and it seems that the club that held the competition
has not posted the points (it has been over 2 years now.) Lyle your first
course of action should be to contact the club(s) that held the competition
and verify that they have sent the information and then have them contact
the AHA to make sure the points have gone through. It is the responsibility
of the club hosting the event to make sure all points have been allocated.
It could be as simple as a typo when filling out the judge report. There may
be a chance your name was bumped from the list by accident.  As for the
desire of many to bash the AHA I choose not to get in the middle of it what
I can say is the person to talk with at the AHA is Brian Rezac,
brian at aob.org , He is very willing to help solve problems. On an issue like
this there are no Saints but also there are no Satans, it is best to make
sure the paperwork has gone through, hold the local level accountable to
make sure that the points are recorded. If the local has done all it can,
make sure you contact Brian to make sure AHA is doing it's job. If AHA has
already sent the information, on make sure BJCP is posting points. Let's try
to stop the Which Group is Worst banter and move on to important topics.


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Good Morning All,

Bill Slack said:
>However, I would like the Judgenet readership to know that I personally
communicated with him (Bill G) last November and answered the questions he
raises in his recent post. <

Bill Slack did communicate with me, but he didn't answer the questions I
asked him, in fact he ignored them completely. This isn't a diatribe just
the truth.

Bill Slack again"
>Lyle, the best way to address your concerns is to contact your regional
representative who will look into these matters for you personally. Your
regional representative can be found on the BJCP web page
http:/www.bjcp.org.
,<

Bill Slack is my representative, neither he nor any member of the board past
nor present  has adequately answered the questions about our tax exempt
status, newsletters and financial statements.

Bill makes it look like it is only Lyle's problem and that his local
representative will take care of the problem.  I wish that were the case.

The membership of the BJCP about three years ago passed bylaws which stated
the duties of the officers and the responsibility of the Directors. To date
these duties and responsibilities have not been properly fulfilled. My
questions in Judgenet Digest on 1/19/99 was neither a diatribes or an
invective.

As a member I am concerned that we haven't acquired tax exempt status. If we
don't get tax exempt status we owe income taxes for the past three years.

As a member I am concerned that we haven't received our newsletters.  Less
then 15% of the membership subscribe to Judgenet and the only method to keep
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quarterly as promised.

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the IRS.  I would like to know why we have failed to do so and why by not
filing we risk a substantial amount of our resources in potential penalties
and interest for failing to file.

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Bill













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I just organized my second AHA-sanctioned competition.  The competition
organizer completes a report identifying judges, stewards, organizers, and
best of show judges and sends it to the AHA and the BJCP.  The fine print in
Section C of the AHA report instructions states "in order to secure credit for
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First  is hopefully a little easier to read version of the KCBM Competition
Post

Second is a response to a post.

In Brewing,

John R. Weerts

From: Steven Ford  Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:09:54 -0800
Subject: KCBM Homebrew Competition



The Kansas City Bier Meisters are pleased to announce its 16th Annual
Homebrew Competition.  The event is sponsored by Bacchus and Barleycorn,
Ltd. and is sanctioned by the American Homebrewers Association as a regional
competition.  The competition is a Qualifying Event for the Masters
Championship of Amateur Brewers and a qualifer for the Mo-Kan Brewer of the
Year Compeition.

Judging will be Feb. 19 and 20 at the Flying Monkey Brewery in Merriam, Kan.
Awards will be announced following the Best of Show judging and a Texas
Round-Up Dinner prepard by Professor Danial Turner, CWC/Club Chef.

Special guests George and Laurie Fix will give a talk on "Non-additive
Brewing" over breakfast on Feb. 20 and a pub-crawil featuring eight local
brewpubs in also on the agenda.

More information may be obtained at the KC Bier Meisters homepage
http://www.kcbiermeisters.org or by contacting Competition Director Steven
Ford competition at kcbiermeisters.org

Steve Ford



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From: Nathaniel P. Lansing  Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:15:14 -0500
Subject: Recording points




Lyle Brown mentions a few competitions that don't have the points recorded;
Lyle if these are AHA comps then the AHA is to blame.

It may or may not be the AHA. We file our points through AHA and they get
posted. I am waiting for points from the first competition that I was
allowed to judge BOS and it seems that the club that held the competition
has not posted the points (it has been over 2 years now.) Lyle your first
course of action should be to contact the club(s) that held the competition
and verify that they have sent the information and then have them contact
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of the club hosting the event to make sure all points have been allocated.
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this there are no Saints but also there are no Satans, it is best to make
sure the paperwork has gone through, hold the local level accountable to
make sure that the points are recorded. If the local has done all it can,
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Good Morning All,

Bill Slack said:
>However, I would like the Judgenet readership to know that I personally
communicated with him (Bill G) last November and answered the questions he
raises in his recent post. <

Bill Slack did communicate with me, but he didn't answer the questions I
asked him, in fact he ignored them completely. This isn't a diatribe just
the truth.

Bill Slack again"
>Lyle, the best way to address your concerns is to contact your regional
representative who will look into these matters for you personally. Your
regional representative can be found on the BJCP web page
http:/www.bjcp.org.
,<

Bill Slack is my representative, neither he nor any member of the board past
nor present  has adequately answered the questions about our tax exempt
status, newsletters and financial statements.

Bill makes it look like it is only Lyle's problem and that his local
representative will take care of the problem.  I wish that were the case.

The membership of the BJCP about three years ago passed bylaws which stated
the duties of the officers and the responsibility of the Directors. To date
these duties and responsibilities have not been properly fulfilled. My
questions in Judgenet Digest on 1/19/99 was neither a diatribes or an
invective.

As a member I am concerned that we haven't acquired tax exempt status. If we
don't get tax exempt status we owe income taxes for the past three years.

As a member I am concerned that we haven't received our newsletters.  Less
then 15% of the membership subscribe to Judgenet and the only method to keep
the majority of the membership informed is to publish the newsletter
quarterly as promised.

As a member the bylaws state that financial statement will be published.  I
would like to see them.

As a member I am concerned that we have yet to file income tax returns with
the IRS.  I would like to know why we have failed to do so and why by not
filing we risk a substantial amount of our resources in potential penalties
and interest for failing to file.

Rather then Bill Slack characterizing my post of 1/19/99 as a diatribe or an
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concerns of at least a couple of the members publicly.

Bill













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I just organized my second AHA-sanctioned competition.  The competition
organizer completes a report identifying judges, stewards, organizers, and
best of show judges and sends it to the AHA and the BJCP.  The fine print in
Section C of the AHA report instructions states "in order to secure credit for
the BJCP participants, please complete the judge report issued from the BJCP
and end it directly to them".  I'd contact your competition organizers and
ensure that they submitted your points to the BJCP; the AHA doesn't appear to
be much help here.  Good Luck.

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