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Re: Digest for the period 01/17/99 - 01/18/99 (Bill Slack)
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Lyle C. Brown asks about the number of BJCP Reporter issues and the
timely recording of judge points and rank advancement. 

Lyle, the best way to address your concerns is to contact your regional
representative who will look into these matters for you personally. Your
regional representative can be found on the BJCP web page,
http:/www.bjcp.org.

On the matter of Bill G., it has always been my policy to not respond
publicly to diatribes or invective, which unfortunately includes most of
his submissions to Judgenet. However, I would like the Judgenet
readership to know that I personally communicated with him last November
and answered the questions he raises in his recent post. He either
forgets this or chooses not to mention it. Furthermore, Bill Giffin
resigned from the BJCP last year and has not asked to be reinstated, so
I don't think he has any standing in these matters. For these reasons, I
will make no further statement about him or his comments.

Cheers,

Bill Slack
President and NE Representative
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The Kansas City Bier Meisters are pleased to announce its 16th Annual =
Homebrew Competition.  The event is sponsored by Bacchus and Barleycorn, =
Ltd. and is sanctioned by the American Homebrewers Association as a =
regional competition.  The competition is a Qualifying Event for the =
Masters Championship of Amateur Brewers and a qualifer for the Mo-Kan =
Brewer of the Year Compeition.
    Judging will be Feb. 19 and 20 at the Flying Monkey Brewery in =
Merriam, Kan. Awards will be announced following the Best of Show =
judging and a Texas Round-Up Dinner prepard by Professor Danial Turner, =
CWC/Club Chef.
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Bill is concerned about newsletters and minutes and Tax-exempt status.
His tone is far more pleasant than his previous posts on these subjects.

In light of this, I would like to second Bill's concerns and ask that
they be addressed here and (more importantly) in a BJCP Reporter
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Al.

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Greetings to the judging collective:

We're still rocking along towards the first MCAB . . . add Dr. Chris White of
WhiteLabs to the list of afternoon speakers, and reconfirm that Drs. Fix and
Farnsworth will be hosting a Friday night tasting . . .  be there!

In the interests of transparency, here's where we stand on the various judging
issues regarding the MCAB . . . .

After considerable thought and careful consideration, we have decided to go with
three judges per panel.  Virtually of all the master judges surveyed considered
five judges to be far too many, and most (but not all) considered four also be
too many.  Many also objected to four as creating the potential of deadlocked
panels.  So, although we recognize that reasonable minds can differ, we have
decided that the way to have the highest possible quality of judging is to go
with a panels of three, and make the panels as strong as we possibly can.  And
as we've said before, we're giving preference to BJCP Master Judges in this
regard . . . .

So, assuming that we don't have 27 Master judges at the MCAB, how are we gonna
pick who else to put on the panels?  We have decided, as I have said previously,
there will be a limited number of "non-Master master judges" who will be seated
-- people whose credentials are such that nobody can seriously object to their
being treated as a master judge in terms of preference.  At present, we are
extending such courtesies to Paul Farnsworth (National Judge; noted brewing
consultant; professor of fermentation science at UTSA; etc., etc., etc.), George
Fix (no comments needed, although George has indicated that he may decline to
judge because he is qualified in several styles), and Jeff Renner (based on his
extensive research and writing on Pre-Prohibition Lager, as well as his
reputation as a judge, he's among the best qualified people around to judge this
style).  If he is available and willing to judge (he has been a big supporter of
the Dixie Cup in the past), we would similarly welcome Pierre Celis as a judge
on the Tripel panel.  [If you're gonna be at the MCAB and feel we should extend
you a similar courtesy, feel free to write and we'll look it over.]

I suspect that, after master and the aforementioned non-master judges are
seated, there will still be openings for 6-9 or so National judges per session.
The ultimate selection process will be up to Steve Moore, and beyond a general
commission to do the best possible job I'm not gonna try to tell him how to run
things.  (I'll be handling beer check in and logistical support, but Steve will
be "da man" as far as competition decisions are concerned.  This bifurcated
responsibility is designed in part to assure that the beers are judged "double
blind" -- neither Steve, nor the stewards, nor of course the judges will know
anything regarding who brewed what numbered beer, and only I and the folks who
help me with beer check in will have any knowledge regarding the identity of the
beers in the competition.)

If you're a National Judge interested in judging, check in with me at the check
in table Friday afternoon / Saturday morning at the hotel.  I'll present the
list of available judges to Steve (by phone), and he'll tell me who to put on
the bus with a judge pass . . . .

Hope to see as many as possible of you at the MCAB.  Even if you're not an
entrant and even if you don't judge, it'll be a real good time . . .

Louis K. Bonham
Organizer, Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing



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Lyle Brown mentions a few competitions that don't have the points recorded;
Lyle if these are AHA comps then the AHA is to blame.
I currently am missing the points for 2 comps dating back a year and a
half. I am not a point whore but the lack of recording points has
put me in the "inactive" status; a problem that I think is far worse
than the loss of a point or two. 
  What can the Board do to compel the timely posting of points by
the AHA? I at first thought; give them 30 days from the competition
to register the points, after that make it $5.00 a judge. A problem
with that approach is then they would say "Fine, save some money and
don't register the points at all."
  I have checked with Russ Wigglesworth and he has no reponse from
someone named Brian at the AHA on my competitions and other AHA
comps. He suggested I send my complaint to AHA with attention to
Cathy Ewing. He hopes this will spur some results.
  A question I have for the Board; is there an actual contract
specifying the registration agreement? If there is, this would be
a breach of contract and a class action suit would get their attention, or,
hopefully, a letter of that intent would wake them up.

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Re: Digest for the period 01/17/99 - 01/18/99 (Bill Slack)
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Lyle C. Brown asks about the number of BJCP Reporter issues and the
timely recording of judge points and rank advancement. 

Lyle, the best way to address your concerns is to contact your regional
representative who will look into these matters for you personally. Your
regional representative can be found on the BJCP web page,
http:/www.bjcp.org.

On the matter of Bill G., it has always been my policy to not respond
publicly to diatribes or invective, which unfortunately includes most of
his submissions to Judgenet. However, I would like the Judgenet
readership to know that I personally communicated with him last November
and answered the questions he raises in his recent post. He either
forgets this or chooses not to mention it. Furthermore, Bill Giffin
resigned from the BJCP last year and has not asked to be reinstated, so
I don't think he has any standing in these matters. For these reasons, I
will make no further statement about him or his comments.

Cheers,

Bill Slack
President and NE Representative
Board of Directors 
Beer Judge Certification Program

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The Kansas City Bier Meisters are pleased to announce its 16th Annual =
Homebrew Competition.  The event is sponsored by Bacchus and Barleycorn, =
Ltd. and is sanctioned by the American Homebrewers Association as a =
regional competition.  The competition is a Qualifying Event for the =
Masters Championship of Amateur Brewers and a qualifer for the Mo-Kan =
Brewer of the Year Compeition.
    Judging will be Feb. 19 and 20 at the Flying Monkey Brewery in =
Merriam, Kan. Awards will be announced following the Best of Show =
judging and a Texas Round-Up Dinner prepard by Professor Danial Turner, =
CWC/Club Chef.
    Special guests George and Laurie Fix will give a talk on =
"Non-additive Brewing" over breakfast on Feb. 20 and a pub-crawil =
featuring eight local brewpubs in also on the agenda. =20
    More information may be obtained at the KC Bier Meisters homepage =
(http://www.kcbiermeisters.org) or by contactig Competition Director =
Steven Ford (competition at kcbiermeisters.org)=20
Steve Ford

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Bill is concerned about newsletters and minutes and Tax-exempt status.
His tone is far more pleasant than his previous posts on these subjects.

In light of this, I would like to second Bill's concerns and ask that
they be addressed here and (more importantly) in a BJCP Reporter
newsletter.

Al.

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Greetings to the judging collective:

We're still rocking along towards the first MCAB . . . add Dr. Chris White of
WhiteLabs to the list of afternoon speakers, and reconfirm that Drs. Fix and
Farnsworth will be hosting a Friday night tasting . . .  be there!

In the interests of transparency, here's where we stand on the various judging
issues regarding the MCAB . . . .

After considerable thought and careful consideration, we have decided to go with
three judges per panel.  Virtually of all the master judges surveyed considered
five judges to be far too many, and most (but not all) considered four also be
too many.  Many also objected to four as creating the potential of deadlocked
panels.  So, although we recognize that reasonable minds can differ, we have
decided that the way to have the highest possible quality of judging is to go
with a panels of three, and make the panels as strong as we possibly can.  And
as we've said before, we're giving preference to BJCP Master Judges in this
regard . . . .

So, assuming that we don't have 27 Master judges at the MCAB, how are we gonna
pick who else to put on the panels?  We have decided, as I have said previously,
there will be a limited number of "non-Master master judges" who will be seated
-- people whose credentials are such that nobody can seriously object to their
being treated as a master judge in terms of preference.  At present, we are
extending such courtesies to Paul Farnsworth (National Judge; noted brewing
consultant; professor of fermentation science at UTSA; etc., etc., etc.), George
Fix (no comments needed, although George has indicated that he may decline to
judge because he is qualified in several styles), and Jeff Renner (based on his
extensive research and writing on Pre-Prohibition Lager, as well as his
reputation as a judge, he's among the best qualified people around to judge this
style).  If he is available and willing to judge (he has been a big supporter of
the Dixie Cup in the past), we would similarly welcome Pierre Celis as a judge
on the Tripel panel.  [If you're gonna be at the MCAB and feel we should extend
you a similar courtesy, feel free to write and we'll look it over.]

I suspect that, after master and the aforementioned non-master judges are
seated, there will still be openings for 6-9 or so National judges per session.
The ultimate selection process will be up to Steve Moore, and beyond a general
commission to do the best possible job I'm not gonna try to tell him how to run
things.  (I'll be handling beer check in and logistical support, but Steve will
be "da man" as far as competition decisions are concerned.  This bifurcated
responsibility is designed in part to assure that the beers are judged "double
blind" -- neither Steve, nor the stewards, nor of course the judges will know
anything regarding who brewed what numbered beer, and only I and the folks who
help me with beer check in will have any knowledge regarding the identity of the
beers in the competition.)

If you're a National Judge interested in judging, check in with me at the check
in table Friday afternoon / Saturday morning at the hotel.  I'll present the
list of available judges to Steve (by phone), and he'll tell me who to put on
the bus with a judge pass . . . .

Hope to see as many as possible of you at the MCAB.  Even if you're not an
entrant and even if you don't judge, it'll be a real good time . . .

Louis K. Bonham
Organizer, Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing



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Lyle Brown mentions a few competitions that don't have the points recorded;
Lyle if these are AHA comps then the AHA is to blame.
I currently am missing the points for 2 comps dating back a year and a
half. I am not a point whore but the lack of recording points has
put me in the "inactive" status; a problem that I think is far worse
than the loss of a point or two. 
  What can the Board do to compel the timely posting of points by
the AHA? I at first thought; give them 30 days from the competition
to register the points, after that make it $5.00 a judge. A problem
with that approach is then they would say "Fine, save some money and
don't register the points at all."
  I have checked with Russ Wigglesworth and he has no reponse from
someone named Brian at the AHA on my competitions and other AHA
comps. He suggested I send my complaint to AHA with attention to
Cathy Ewing. He hopes this will spur some results.
  A question I have for the Board; is there an actual contract
specifying the registration agreement? If there is, this would be
a breach of contract and a class action suit would get their attention, or,
hopefully, a letter of that intent would wake them up.

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