Return-Path: owner-judge at synchro.com Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr20.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.26]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10289 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (0 at twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17175 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root at localhost) by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/2.5) with X.500 id TAA23412; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/2.5) with SMTP id TAA23373; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14062 for spencer at umich.edu; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:50:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by synchro.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11524 for judge-digest-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:05:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:05:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199803170005.TAA11524 at synchro.com> From: owner-judge-digest at synchro.com To: judge-digest at synchro.com Subject: judge-digest V1 #1550 Reply-To: judge at synchro.com Errors-To: owner-judge-digest at synchro.com Precedence: bulk judge-digest Monday, 16 March 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1550 ============================================================================ J u d g e N e t - t h e b e e r j u d g e d i g e s t ============================================================================ Moderator: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publisher: SynchroSystems Submissions: judge at synchro.com Subscriptions: judge-request at synchro.com Archive: http://realbeer.com/spencer/judge BJCP info: geninfo at bjcp.synchro.com ============================================================================ contents: Re: judge-digest V1 #1549 Re: judge-digest V1 #1548 Who to pick as Best-of-Show judges Heart of Dixie Brew-Off Results re: bigness Styles, or style Last Call for Judges ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OudBruin Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:09:26 EST Subject: Re: judge-digest V1 #1549 Re: Vernon Valley-clemens brewery From: Bruce Hammell Jim Busch mentioned the now defunct brewery run (as I recall) under the clemons name in vernon valley, N.J. The non gloved michael Jackson said that the plant produced (arguably) some of the best beer in North America. The Equiptment still is there at last report (over a year ago), and includer a boudelot cooler, and wooden fermenters. The entire pourpose of this missive is to find out the fate of the plant,I understand that a swiss company purchased everything in vernon valley following the bankruptcy of the ski resort(maybe, they intend on speculating on sale of same, as beachfront property??talk about long term planning of global warming!!!) If anyone knows who what and were the equiptment is and whats going on with it.. i'd like to know.. Meanwhile, whats this crap that everyone from N.J. has to send thier entries to atlanta for the nationals.. I think i'll eschew that debacle.. That fat brewer from New Jersey Oudbruin, sayin "brew safe, brew happy" ------------------------------ From: Stephen Murphrey Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:44:39 -0500 Subject: Re: judge-digest V1 #1548 Who to pick as Best-of-Show judges George De Piro makes an interesting point, but I think following his advice would be a disservice to some good best-of-show (BOS) judge candidates. Most competitions pick only locals for BOS judges. If we rule out our local, qualified candidates, where are they going to get to be BOS judges? Brooklyn is a pretty long trip from Raleigh. George's suggestion would only work if all competitions abided by that guideline (when possible). As the director of judges at the Shamrock Open competition yesterday, I had to pick BOS judges. I needed 3 BOS judges because of the size of our competion (100 entries). My goal was to pick 1 judge from each of the 2 local homebrew clubs, plus 1 from out of town. (I actually picked 2 judges from my club and 1 out-of-towner, because the candidates from the other club excluded themselves by winning blue ribbons or by smoking cigars during lunch.) Last year, when we had enough entries for 4 BOS judges, I used 2 out-of-town judges plus 1 from each local club. I had 1 other qualified out-of-town candidate available, but it seemed unfair to the locals to overload the panel with out-of-towners. If all competitions would follow George's suggestion, then I'd be all for it. It would encourage more out-of-town attendance - very important to competitions in low-population areas like Raleigh. But it's not a concept that could be enforced. So the smaller competitions today have no recourse but to ask locals to be BOS judges. Maybe we should all stop traveling to competitions that exclude out-of-towners from their BOS panels. Would that be a way of enforcing George's concept? Steve Murphrey CARBOY (Cary-Apex-Raleigh Brewers of Yore) ------------------------------ From: "John W. Rhymes" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:01:39 +0000 Subject: Heart of Dixie Brew-Off Results On March 14, the Birmingham Brewmasters hosted the first major homebrew competition held in the state of Alabama. An excellent panel of 37 judges assembled to evaluate 155 entries from 14 states. All entries were evaluated by three judges, and the judge panel was led by 18 BJCP judges and 6 professional head brewers. Best of Show went to Doug McCullough of the Birmingham Brewmasters for his traditional Bock. Best Ale went to Ed Sieja of the Madison (AL) Sobriety Club for his Belgian Tripel. Best Lager went to Lee Theuriet of the Stanislaus Hoppy Cappers (CA) for his Vienna. Our special category was Potato beers in honor of St. Patrick's Day. Best Potato Beer went to Brian Dueweke of Weekend Brewers in Richmond, Virginia, for his Sweet Potato Stout. See our web site at http:\\www.bham.net\brew\brew-off.html for details of the competition and a full list of winners and sponsors (plus pictures!). We had great prizes from from our sponsors and an excellent weekend. Future competitions will be on the weekend closest to St. Patrick's Day, so keep us in mind! John W. Rhymes -- Birmingham, Alabama jwrhymes at mindspring.com ------------------------------ From: Bill Giffin Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:00:22 -0500 Subject: re: bigness Top of the morning to yea all, Lisa Gros said: "I think it is too simplistic to say that if a beer is too big disqualify it or that it should not win. There is more too it than that." It is that simple. Gees it looks like Al K would like to include any beer that even smells like a dopplebock. Perhaps he is correct. Then the guideline for every style would be the same just the name of the category would change. Bill ------------------------------ From: Bill Giffin Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:45:52 -0500 Subject: Styles, or style Top of the morning to yea all, I have to say Norm does like to shout. Usually this is an indication that the person who is shouting knows that he is wrong but tries to intimidate with noise. Much of what a style guideline is, is a range. A low and a high original gravity are given for a particular style. Statically in a realistic range the majority of the range will fall about the mean. With small percentage falling at the extremes. Yet in homebrewing the majority of the winning beers fall within the high extreme of the range where very few example of the style really fall. So if a beer is 4 or 5 points above the high side of the guidelines then it is way out of style not just a couple of points. So if you as a judge know that the beer is out of style then it shouldn't win! Go to the extreme, if you are judging a flight of dunkels, say six or seven entries and all but one are infected and undrinkable. The remaining beer is a very good doppelbock, should it win as a dunkel? The doppelbock has the right color, hopping and flavor does it get first place? My answer is no. I think that your answer should also be no. Norm said: "Of course, the classic beer styles should be preserved and passed on! But not at the expense of homebrewing not being a fun and interactive Social endeavor." How in the world does maintaining classic beer styles interfere with homebrewing being fun and an interactive social endeavor? When we play horseshoes we try to put the shoe around the stake or as close to that as we can get. That's fun, why isn't getting your beer that you want to be a particular style be as close to that style as possible? We as judges with our lackluster manner of judging are destroying classic beer styles. Too many judges' attitude is even though I know this beer isn't quite to style but it's a great beer, I am going to give it a ribbon. I say again if a beer isn't to style, it shouldn't win. That doesn't mean you can't tell the brewer that their entry was a great beer, just entered in the wrong category. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Reed,Randy" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:06:05 -0500 Subject: Last Call for Judges South Shore Brewoff Homebrew Competition Dedicated to Quality Feedback The third annual South Shore Brewoff will be held about an hour south of Boston, in Cranston RI, just off Interstate 95. The deadline for entries is March 21st, and the actual event will be March 28th. We expect a significant increase in entries due to an increase in convenient drop off points. Great food and a thank you gift will be given to those who pre-register and work the event. The goal of the competition is to provide amateur brewers with quality objective feedback on their efforts. Our club has a number of national, certified, and recognized BJCP judges among our ranks, but we need assistance from other clubs to get all the judging done. Please consider entering and/or judging our event. All drop off points are stocked with entry forms: Witches Brew - Foxboro, MA Boston Brewin' - Beverly, MA Northeast Brewers Supply - Providence, RI Pawtucket Homebrewing Supply - Pawtucket, RI Hoppy Brewer - Seekonk, MA 02771 Barley Malt & Vine - Newton, MA 02161 Narragansett Homebrew Supply - Wakefield, RI 02879 Brew Horizons - Coventry, RI 02816 The Modern Brewer - Cambridge, MA 02140 The Vineyard - Upton, MA 01568 Interested in judging or stewarding? Contact Stephen Rose at 508- 821-4152 for entry forms. Only pre-registered staff can attend. Any questions about the competition regulation, procedures, awards, etc., should be answered by the entry forms or can be directed to: Glenn Markel 508-226-3249 or (GRMARKEL at aol.com) Randy Reed 781-341-8170 (RREED at Foxboro.com) Entry forms for judging can be found at our web site. Http://members.aol.com/brewclub You can fill them in, paste them in an email, and return them to me or mail them to Stephen. Hope to see you there! Randy ------------------------------ End of judge-digest V1 #1550 **************************** Send subscription cancellations & changes to judge-request at synchro.com. Messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored.