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judge-digest             Saturday, 17 January 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1528

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 IPA's
 "sanctioning"

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From: Jim Cave <cave at psc.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:31:02 -0800
Subject: IPA's

	In a past Judgenet, the question was raised about the positioning of, =
and relative differences between IPA's:  Are they English or American? =20

	First, decision on the placement of a style in a category during =
competition is somewhat up to the discretion of the organizer, and is =
often based on balancing the number of entries into flights.  On that =
basis the IPA could be placed into either American or English categories =
but judged as an IPA on style guidelines.

	Unfortunately, the English IPA has become a shadow of its former self.  =
Commercial examples are really only ordinary bitters (OG 1.035-1.039).  =
Few if any are above 1.040 and few have anything more than 30-35 IBU's.  =
English hopping schedules are less ambitious than those in North =
America.  The classic English example was Worthington White Shield which =
used to be around 1.055 (IBU's?) and is now about 1.050 (or is it =
1.048?).  This is very much a worthwhile drink when bought fresh from =
the "Super" in England. Youngs Ramrod is a nice example but it is not =
marketed as an IPA.  The moniker IPA has become a marketing designation =
rather than a style guideline now.

	I feel that the American IPAs  now better represent the original style, =
at least in hopping and original gravity.  Consequently, I am now of the =
view that the designation should be moved from the English category to =
the American one.  Adherence to a style based on the geographic origin =
of the hop is of less consequence than the other more dominant =
characterisitics of the beer, such as hopping rates, hopping schedules =
and gravity.

				Jim Cave


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From: Jeremy Bergsman <jeremybb at leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:18:34 -0800
Subject: "sanctioning"

I wrote:
> As you can see, if one knows the meaning of the word, one will infer that
> the sanctioning body is making a statement about the quality of the
> competition.  The AHA isn't the only one at fault here, since the BJCP does
> the same thing (they use a different word but the effect is the same).

I have been informed that the term the BJCP uses is "registered."  I
thought it was "recognized."  I think that registered is a pretty
good word.  Unfortunately, the BJCP web site is somewhat unclear
about which term to use, and the general public still uses recognized
and sanctioned to describe BJCP registered competitions.
- -- 
Jeremy Bergsman
jeremybb at stanford.edu
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jeremybb

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