Return-Path: judge-owner at synchro.com Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.35]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12963 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA10447 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 7/27/98 - 7/28/98 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Bob Technical's Hop-Go-Round (Al Korzonas) Judge Questions (Jeffrey M. Kenton) -------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Korzonas Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dr. Bob Technical's Hop-Go-Round Jeff writes (on the BJD): >Louis Bonham gives us a sneak preview of the HBDPAE results. I have been >using the "Dr. Bob Technical's Hop Go-Round" for a year or so and find it >gives me good results. It is simply a white plastic circular slide rule >about 8" diameter. To use it you line up batch size and amount of hops, >then line up % efficience and %AA, and read out IBU. On the back is a >utilization chart which is the same, as I recall, as the one in the wall >chart that come with the recent Zymurgy special hops issue (Rager's?) and a >list of some typical %AA for some hops and typical beer IBU ranges. I use my Hop-Go-Round all the time and love it. I'm quite certain that the utilisations on the back are *NOT* Ragers. They are similar for longer boils and lower gravities, but I believe the ones on the Hop-Go-Round are far too optimistic for the shorter boils and higher gravities. I simply use my own utilisation % from tables I've generated and just use the front of the Hop-Go-Round. Al. Al Korzonas, Palos Hills, IL korz at xnet.com http://www.brewinfo.com/brewinfo/ -------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey M. Kenton Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: Judge Questions Howdy. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions about judge topics. I am not yet a judge, but feel I should know a few things before I jump into the ring. Specifically, I want to know if it is required for judges to know EVERY style. I know the particulars on quite a few styles, but if judges are assigned randomly to panels, I might not be able to do a good job on certain panels. That is, I don't know the particulars for every style, and if I were assigned to a panel like Weisse, I would just be guessing. In reviewing several style guidelines, I have seen that nearly every governing body recognizes beer styles slightly differently. To keep all of these guidelines straight in my mind concurrently would be a herculean effort. (If it really is required, I might have to forget some other important facts, like my name, address, telephone number, etc.) Wouldn't it be appropriate to have a crib sheet on the table that outlined the specifics of the style, such as flavor faults, required taste components, color range, etc.? It seems that many of Jeff R.'s comments about his CAP (and his belief that it was poorly judged) could have been addressed directly by judges using a review sheet. More directly, many of the negative comments may have been absent had the judge(s) really understood that certain flavor components were allowed, etc. I am looking forward to taking the judge's exam, and thank you for the bandwidth. Jeff Return-Path: judge-owner at synchro.com Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.35]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12963 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA10447 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 7/27/98 - 7/28/98 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Bob Technical's Hop-Go-Round (Al Korzonas) Judge Questions (Jeffrey M. Kenton) -------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Korzonas Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dr. Bob Technical's Hop-Go-Round Jeff writes (on the BJD): >Louis Bonham gives us a sneak preview of the HBDPAE results. I have been >using the "Dr. Bob Technical's Hop Go-Round" for a year or so and find it >gives me good results. It is simply a white plastic circular slide rule >about 8" diameter. To use it you line up batch size and amount of hops, >then line up % efficience and %AA, and read out IBU. On the back is a >utilization chart which is the same, as I recall, as the one in the wall >chart that come with the recent Zymurgy special hops issue (Rager's?) and a >list of some typical %AA for some hops and typical beer IBU ranges. I use my Hop-Go-Round all the time and love it. I'm quite certain that the utilisations on the back are *NOT* Ragers. They are similar for longer boils and lower gravities, but I believe the ones on the Hop-Go-Round are far too optimistic for the shorter boils and higher gravities. I simply use my own utilisation % from tables I've generated and just use the front of the Hop-Go-Round. Al. Al Korzonas, Palos Hills, IL korz at xnet.com http://www.brewinfo.com/brewinfo/ -------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey M. Kenton Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: Judge Questions Howdy. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions about judge topics. I am not yet a judge, but feel I should know a few things before I jump into the ring. Specifically, I want to know if it is required for judges to know EVERY style. I know the particulars on quite a few styles, but if judges are assigned randomly to panels, I might not be able to do a good job on certain panels. That is, I don't know the particulars for every style, and if I were assigned to a panel like Weisse, I would just be guessing. In reviewing several style guidelines, I have seen that nearly every governing body recognizes beer styles slightly differently. To keep all of these guidelines straight in my mind concurrently would be a herculean effort. (If it really is required, I might have to forget some other important facts, like my name, address, telephone number, etc.) Wouldn't it be appropriate to have a crib sheet on the table that outlined the specifics of the style, such as flavor faults, required taste components, color range, etc.? It seems that many of Jeff R.'s comments about his CAP (and his belief that it was poorly judged) could have been addressed directly by judges using a review sheet. More directly, many of the negative comments may have been absent had the judge(s) really understood that certain flavor components were allowed, etc. I am looking forward to taking the judge's exam, and thank you for the bandwidth. Jeff