Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:15:04 -0400
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judge-digest                 Friday, 2 May 1997         Volume 01 : Number 1432

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 Schwarzbier
 steam beer judging, again, for the last time

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From: George_De_Piro at berlex.com (George De Piro)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:04:39 -0700
Subject: Schwarzbier

     Hi all,
     
     It was said in the last digest that there are no examples of 
     Schwarzbier available in the Northeastern U.S.  This is untrue.  
     Kostritzer Schwarzbier is easily available in the NY metro area.  It 
     is only one example of the style, so it shouldn't be used as an 
     absolute benchmark, but it is there for the tasting.
     
     Have fun!
     
     George De Piro  (Nyack, NY)

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From: "Thomas, Andrew R" <thomaar at texaco.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:38:57 -0500
Subject: steam beer judging, again, for the last time

>
>      I make this suggestion even though this is a style I like to brew.
>I try to make my own version of Anchor (Hi there, Fritz) at least once or
>twice a year, and I've been known to buy a few in between batches. I'm fond
of >Anchor. It's just that I've always felt it to be most at home
nestled
among the pale ales, rather than the sole exemplar of its own unique
style.
                                Cheers,
                                Byron Burch

Ditto Byron, thanks for that good input.  I also worry about Steam Beer/
Cal Common as a category, but mostly for judging issues.  People should
be aware that Steam Beer is a ONE BEER category right now, and anchor is
not representative, as a sole representative, of 30 or 100 steam beer
breweries which used to exist on the West Coast.  Other categories get
much more "judging latitude" from a qualified BJCP judge, and it is
easier with steam to "miss the mark" so to speak.  I would applaud the
efforts of any beer historian who could unearth any records about what
the other steam breweries and products used to be like.  Suppose there
might be any sunken ships in the SF Bay just like there were in the
English Channel?  Brewery records available anywhere?  Pictures of beer
from the 1850's or 1860's? out there....even just a picture of a beer in
a glass would tell something of the depth of color....even if it was
just black and white.  

I know that American Pilsner now is also not representative for example
of what it was like in much earlier days, but I guess I am just a bit
preoccupied with Anchor as a "one standard category" right now.  Once
again, hats off to Fritz and the great job his guys like Tim and others
do in the brewhouse.  We love you, man.  andy


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